New Evidence Suggests The SAE Racist Chant Is Not Just An OU Thing, Other Chapters Called Into Question
This onion is starting to stink to high heaven. With each new detail of the SAE racist chant story that is revealed, the more damning it looks for SAE — and now it appears it’s not just the SAE chapter at the University of Oklahoma that is guilty of chanting a similar song.
A thread was started on reddit 29 days ago that brought an alleged list of FIJI pledge rules into question. This list, while pretty damning in its own right, is irrelevant to the current situation with SAE, and not just because it’s 10 years old and has zero foundation or reason to buy its authenticity. Soon after the post hit reddit, someone posted a very interesting comment that was later mysteriously deleted. The cached version of that page, where the comment is still visible, can be found here.
The comment is below. Again, this comment was posted weeks before the OU SAE bus video surfaced.
It would appear the chant is practiced by multiple SAE chapters, albeit with different versions. Although it is not stated, the context of this comment suggests that the SAE chapter the commenter was referencing is the one at the University of Texas. The alleged FIJI pledge rule list was connected to the UT chapter in the initial post, and the commenter didn’t state a different university.
Also, there’s this:
#UT President Bill Powers says school 'looking into' reports that SAE chapter there has chant similar to #OU. More on @NBCDFW at 10.
— Brian Curtis (@BrianCurtisNBC5) March 11, 2015
Also occurring in the wake of this mess, someone came forward to reveal that he heard the same chant by members of the Louisiana Tech SAE chapter back in 2010. He told his story to BuzzFeed News.
“It was the summer of 2010. I was at a rush party at the SAE at LA. Tech house along with all the other freshman who had been invited,” Dylan Merriman wrote in an interview with BuzzFeed News. “I cant remember exactly what he [an SAE active at the party] chanted/drunkenly said but it was similar to the video that has been on social media.”
Three SAE chapters from three different states have been connected to this chant. How far does it reach? How cultural is this problem? And what is SAE going to do to fix this mess?.
[via reddit, BuzzFeed News]
“Abe set them free, but they’ll never pledge with me” Maybe they are implying that nobody pledges with SAE anymore
11 years ago at 1:14 pmThere it is! Lol
11 years ago at 1:37 pmNice tits.
11 years ago at 11:41 pmI remember reading this thread before the news broke. People started deleting things after someone posted a link to the video under that comment. This was the day before it went on the news.
11 years ago at 2:58 pmThere’s a reason these things are taught in a basement
11 years ago at 1:14 pmThe amount of stupidity really is appalling. Keep your damn business out of the public eye. Nothing like getting your dirty laundry aired out because drunk freshman are too cocky and foolish to keep their mouths shut.
11 years ago at 1:25 pmHow about just don’t be vehemently racist?
11 years ago at 1:57 pmAlright let’s not get carried away here.
11 years ago at 2:35 pmDo you really think these guys are actual racists? I sure as hell don’t. I think they got drunk and sang a racially insensitive song in what they thought was a venue where no would be offended.
11 years ago at 2:42 pmSinging a song about hanging people from trees simply because of their skin color isn’t “racially insensitive”, it’s racist. What venue it was sung in doesn’t matter.
11 years ago at 3:05 pmI do not see the problem, I tell a racist joke every once in awhile that is probably 1000x worse than what these guys’ said, I’m not racist, I just enjoy a good joke every once in awhile. The difference u see is, nobody films my jokes and puts them online for TFM to freak the fuck out about. They probably aren’t all racist, Just because they say something god damn. Also, This story is full of shit and this article in general is full of terrible writing using people whom have no legitimate proof to the accuracy of their statement. Keep it classy TFM, stop with the slander.
11 years ago at 7:33 pmThey deserve all the shit they get. Racist or not, they’re just incredibly stupid.
11 years ago at 12:17 amThe extremely unpopular but probably fairly accurate take on this whole situation.
11 years ago at 3:57 pmDrunk words are sober thoughts.
11 years ago at 4:48 pmIf you think about other fraternity “traditions” leaking out to the liberal media, greek life would be shut down across America. Bottom line, the issue is these kids acted like dumbasses by 1.) Singing that chant in public and 2.) Recording it. I’m not saying I agree with the chant because I don’t, but there is probably something every chapter does that could put them in deep shit if it was leaked.
11 years ago at 5:34 pmRIP SAE, 1856-2015
11 years ago at 1:14 pmRacism kills
SAE kills too, or have we forgotten about that?
11 years ago at 1:55 pmYou’re also a bitch. But no one’s forgotten about that.
11 years ago at 2:44 pmYou’re doing a wonderful job of holding up the already awful national reputation your fraternity has.
11 years ago at 2:58 pmThat’s the way to make people respect SAE…
11 years ago at 3:30 pmAll this shit is a straight up disgrace. My chapter hasn’t partaken in any of this bullshit but it’s honestly embarrassing to wear letters around campus now just due to the national reputation.
11 years ago at 2:48 pmIt’s not the letters that make the man but the man that make the letters
11 years ago at 3:00 pmDont ever be ashamed of our letters.
11 years ago at 3:48 pmI’m not even a SAE and that makes me shake my head in disgust, have some god damn self respect. Be proud to wear your letters- what ever they may be- til the day you die, no matter what. Love it or leave it
11 years ago at 11:42 pmI’m actually bullish on SAE right now
Strong financials, large individual market power, good cross-market spread–buy while it’s low!
11 years ago at 1:56 pmSold!
11 years ago at 7:01 pmSorry but the real SAE death date happened last year when they killed off pledging.
11 years ago at 8:34 amThe abolishment of pledgeship seems to be working out just fine for these guys. Anyone else willing to give it a shot?
11 years ago at 1:15 pmNever really understood why they went down that road to be begin with. Pledging is is an important part of the process and builds character. Learned some of my most valuable lessons while pledging
11 years ago at 1:50 pmThe same reason large organizations make any decision. Money.
11 years ago at 4:39 pmhttps://totalfratmove.wpengine.com/sae-abolished-pledgeship-because-a-criminal-bank-dropped-an-sae-account-and-their-national-office-is-run-by-morons/comment-page-3/
11 years ago at 8:22 pmAnd all I wanted was to see some spring break tits and ass on TFM.
11 years ago at 1:15 pmWe’ve got that, too. This is just a huge story, man.
11 years ago at 1:16 pmIts like a car crash I cant look away; but I’d much rather be looking at titties.
11 years ago at 1:21 pmIt might just be me but I feel like Dorn’s soul purpose this past week has been to use his social media influence to completely destroy SAE and everything they stand for.
11 years ago at 1:57 pmAnd for that, i say with clenched fists fuck you dorno
11 years ago at 2:00 pmShut up, Meg.
11 years ago at 2:40 pmWhat an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Good God.
11 years ago at 3:15 pmIf that’s ridiculous, prove me wrong and publish an article that tells of the millions of dollars for charity SAE raises or the thousands of hours of volunteer work. The past 3 days you’ve published 8 different articles all surrounding how bad SAE is, yet you can’t even sneak in 1 telling of all the good.
11 years ago at 5:50 pmYou sound like a fucking child.
11 years ago at 12:33 am^ this
11 years ago at 9:31 amExcessively publicizing the negative stories that ruin the reputation of your websites demographic. NF
11 years ago at 1:18 pmThey’re all about the PPC dollars at Grandex. I remember the good ole days when this website mostly consisted of columns and now it’s mostly news stories that attract more website traffic. It’s a shame.
11 years ago at 6:48 pm“They’re all about the PPC dollars at Grandex”. Do you think a bunch of postgraduate-fraternity-has-beens are going to VOLUNTARILY spend their days posting content geared toward 18-23 year-old alcoholics?
11 years ago at 12:43 amIs that not the point of totalfratmove.com?
11 years ago at 11:13 amKey word there was “voluntarily”, sport. I’m pretty sure the staff here is compensated for their labor.
11 years ago at 7:13 pmDorn’s sole purpose this week has been using his social media influence to completely degrade SAE and all good the fraternity has ever done.
11 years ago at 2:04 pmThe absolute best move for fraternity men across the country to do is condemn this behavior, which thankfully by and large we do anyway. We are all gentlemen, and need to act it. That should be obvious.
The media loves to vilify us, we need to show them who we really are as a larger community.
11 years ago at 2:38 pmHey guy, get a fucking clue. Dorn is not on a personal vendetta here, he is rightfully condemning an irresponsible and immature action
11 years ago at 2:45 pmI am a black attorney that has worked on cases involving civil rights issues. I am on top of this shit. I will make sure that justice is done in the state of Oklahoma.
For now, I need this site to just focus on posting t&a that is half my age.
Best,
11 years ago at 4:21 pmJust to clarify, in case my sarcasm was misinterpreted, this is not a big deal. Trust me. They have the right to say what they want on the bus.
Bigger things to worry about.
11 years ago at 4:43 pmSo you are telling me is there is still Racism in the South, huh go figure.
11 years ago at 1:16 pmFuck outta here hippie.
11 years ago at 2:35 pmYou’re in Virginia. Where Robert e lee, stonewall Jackson, and the location of the capital of the confederacy. Don’t forget your roots just because a bunch of liberal Yankees decided they wanted to come down here.
11 years ago at 4:43 pmI’m well aware of Virginia’s history. I’m also not a Confederate flag waver. Just because my ancestors may be slave owners or confederate soldiers doesn’t mean I have to be one too. There’s roots than there is forward thinking my friend. I hate liberals as much as the next guy, but I’ll fight for every American’s constitutional right and the Statue of Liberty which says bring your huddled masses your poor and your sick, so I’ll even welcome immigrants and refugees from shit nations too. Because that is today’s United States and we seem to have lost sight of that and although racism is ubiquitous it is usually more prevalent in the South.
11 years ago at 5:05 pmI’m not a confederate flag waver either. I love my home, and if there ever was another civil war I would fight for the south just like my ancestors. I believe in freedom for all. But racism is just as prevalent in the south as it is in other places present day. In LA riots when they dragged the trucker out of his 18 wheeler and gave him brain damage and put him in a coma. Just because he was white. Racism exists everywhere. For all races. It’s fueled by the liberal media in cases like the one in ferguson. It’s not police officer shoots and kills unarmed teen. It’s white police officers shoots and kills unarmed black teen. And retards like Al sharpton who pulls the race card when there is no racism. They are the present day racists.
11 years ago at 5:40 pm“racism is ubiquitous it is usually more prevalent in the South.” is what I said there just seems to be more racial incidents in the South Cali clash with Mexicans Asians and Black. Arizona pass anti immigration laws. I agree with you the media is bullshit. If they South wants to rise again and start enslaving or oppressing people I’ll join the Union. It’s sad to see this divide people kill each other white on white black on black. Its the fucking media that blows it all to kingdom come.
Look we can go back and forth all day, there is no right or wrong. There is only perception and if people are dumb enough to believe the media and let their perceptions be warped without thinking for themselves, then shit my friend America is about to become a very scary place and we will all have to walk on eggshells.
11 years ago at 5:49 pmEspecially when these idiots call for the death of the Greek System, while failing to acknowledge the other many chapters that have a very diverse brotherhood.like any well informed free thinking people would and then make decisions and formulate thought out responses. Not FUCK WHITE MOTHERFUCKERS YALL SHIIIIITTTT NIGGA FUCK ILL FUCK EM UP.
11 years ago at 5:54 pmFratbono you are so full of shit. You say you’re not a liberal but when I questioned who you voted for(knowing full well you only had a 5% chance of NOT voting for obama) you got unbelievably defensive. Also, you mentioned in a previous post that you are black(nothing wrong with that, I only care about the obama thing) and now you are saying your ancestors may be slave owners or confederate soldiers. Dude you are all over the map today you have literally commented on like 20 fucking things just today
FratbonoEQMDPHD
Being a tall dark and handsome black man isn’t bad either.
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…dude you are a fucking 15 year old high school kid who can’t even drive. Get off this site.
11 years ago at 5:58 pmDude what is your beef with me? I say shit to see the response and obviously I got a very racist one with all the down votes and a racist dude saying racist shit getting upvotes. So you tell me who is full of shit?
11 years ago at 6:05 pmEveryone here say they are disgusted with SAE, yet I see racial all the time on here. You need to calm down dude you should like a fucking Liberal Social Justice Warrior right now.
11 years ago at 6:08 pmFratbono I’m going to give you some advice because you had a competent argument with me. You don’t have to prove anything to these assholes. It doesn’t matter. Don’t even give him the satisfaction of a response.
11 years ago at 6:26 pmYou mean this one?
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Being white is great lol
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Being a tall dark and handsome black man isn’t bad either.
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Owning one isn’t bad either
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Nope not bad at all. White people are useless in the sun.
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Not with a whip in their hands
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What if this conversation was caught on tape my man? Some guy said white is great, I thought I’d see what happens if I said being black aint so bad either. 375 votes for owning a black person…wow…
11 years ago at 6:40 pmOkay that was funny
11 years ago at 6:48 pmYeah, I mean it’s all fun and games until we as Greeks are actually in deep shit. But this Fratpad fuck is butt hurt I left a snarky reply to his comment lol.
11 years ago at 6:51 pm@Fratbono
Racism in the south is no worse than racism elsewhere, I personally witnessed a lot more of it in California and the tri-state area when I went to go visit my family there. People in the south are a lot more vocal about it but it is just as worse in other areas where people will act all nice to your face but talk all sorts of racist nonsense behind your back. The so called “liberals” in the north will talk about how great diversity is until it moves in right next door to them. As soon as that happens, you see their true colors and the gossip starts. It is not fun being a black or hispanic person (unless you are a latino that looks completely white) in a lot of the wealthier areas of the northeast, people let you know subtly that you aren’t too welcome there.
11 years ago at 10:21 pmAs someone from Chicago who attends a private school full of liberals I can attest to this. Everyone is all about diversity but only for self-benefit. People at my school are so liberally tolerant they are intolerant. And in the suburbs where my parents live you can bet white people are racist against minorities, but that is in private.
11 years ago at 12:34 amGive it a break bud
11 years ago at 1:17 pmThe PR guy for SAE just shat his pants.
11 years ago at 1:19 pmRegardless of what is chanted, they should have kept it between themselves. Secrecy between brothers is everything.
11 years ago at 1:19 pmI don’t think this is just an SAE or even a college thing. I’m from PA and we used to sing a colorful version of song of the south in high school. Why single out one fraternity?
11 years ago at 1:20 pmI don’t know why either. You should make a video too letting them know it’s not only UO. Make sure to get a closeup of your dumbass face just so there is no confusion.
11 years ago at 5:38 pmRight after I upload Dorn and me Eiffel towering your mom.
11 years ago at 9:08 pmBURNNNN
11 years ago at 8:22 am