Nope…it was Dev…it’s been confirmed via a guy who shared words with a guy on the raid…he wasn’t apparently multiple drinks into the celebration. Before I heard, I did assume that CAG did it.
Additionally, “Cadet,” surely you are aware of the difference between Special Forces Operation Detatchment-Delta, and the regular SF guys. Yes, their are pipe swingers in Group CIF (Command Interdiction Force) Teams, but the average greenie beanie in a group Dive team, for example, is not the same as the guys in CAG.
I just wish people when quit saying SEALs as if the guys who were on that mission are the same as the average SEAL…it’s very similar to the comparison you tried to make between group guys and CAG with your ignorant sounding “SF” speak.
“Team Six” was the predecessor of the current Naval Special Warfare Development Group, they are one in the same. You can call them SEALs because they are still indeed SEALs; sure they are more or less referred to as operators but it was not the CAG therefore it was more or less CIA paramilitary along with DevGroup SEALs. Go head and talk to normal Team guys about DevGroup and they will still refer to each other and themselves as SEALs. No need to be so picky about information, SEALs are much more lax or lenient when it comes to their operational attitudes; i.e., they are not super rigid like most Army SF or SFOD-D are expected to be.
No, you’re fine. I was kind of tacking my statement onto Brodyssius’ and yours as well. People should at least have some idea about our Special Forces beyond what they learned from Call of Duty.
Honest mistake then, just training to be a SEAL actually so I get testy about some of the bull that gets thrown around. But I agree, Call of Duty and Wikipedia aren’t viable sources about US SOF.
Agreed…my grammar on that one was piss poor..it’d been a long day.
My post wasn’t meant to pick on the SEALs, merely to call into question the Cadet’s knowledge of his future/current branch of service. The last thing any unit needs is an ignorant officer who THINKS he knows what he’s talking about.
Actually, not all guys in Dev are SEALs. I can say for a fact that they take a JTAC from Force and that they have recently opened it up to willing applicants from Recon Battalions, Force Companies, and MarSOC. I do wonder if such members are forever considered somewhat second-class because they don’t wear a Trident…Gold Wings and Bubble, while generally synonymous with the same means of insertion, aren’t the same as wearing the Trident obviously.
The majority of them are, of course SEALs, but there is a clear distinction between them and your regular team guys–as most team guys will tell you. Yes, they are generally more laid back as well–both for better and for worse. Mission Planning is essential to successful operations and it isn’t particularly the SEAL’s forte–perhaps given that they don’t really have another ground component to draw such planning experience from. I can direct you to a number of books on the matter if you would like to debate this.
The raid on bin Laden, however was clearly well-planned. I wonder if having an Admiral in the lead had something to do with that…or the fact that the President and likely the Joint Chiefs were watching live and wouldn’t have ok’d the op were a good plan not in place.
Anyway, good luck at BUD/S man…or SQT or wherever you are in the pipeline. One day at a time…
lol the seals probly pulled security while the Special Forces teams we don’t even know about finished the job. Osama KIA, tfm
15 years ago at 8:39 pmYou’re fucking retarded.
15 years ago at 11:58 amNope…it was Dev…it’s been confirmed via a guy who shared words with a guy on the raid…he wasn’t apparently multiple drinks into the celebration. Before I heard, I did assume that CAG did it.
Additionally, “Cadet,” surely you are aware of the difference between Special Forces Operation Detatchment-Delta, and the regular SF guys. Yes, their are pipe swingers in Group CIF (Command Interdiction Force) Teams, but the average greenie beanie in a group Dive team, for example, is not the same as the guys in CAG.
I just wish people when quit saying SEALs as if the guys who were on that mission are the same as the average SEAL…it’s very similar to the comparison you tried to make between group guys and CAG with your ignorant sounding “SF” speak.
15 years ago at 9:08 pmUsing terrible grammar while trying to call someone ignorant. NF.
15 years ago at 11:09 pm“Team Six” was the predecessor of the current Naval Special Warfare Development Group, they are one in the same. You can call them SEALs because they are still indeed SEALs; sure they are more or less referred to as operators but it was not the CAG therefore it was more or less CIA paramilitary along with DevGroup SEALs. Go head and talk to normal Team guys about DevGroup and they will still refer to each other and themselves as SEALs. No need to be so picky about information, SEALs are much more lax or lenient when it comes to their operational attitudes; i.e., they are not super rigid like most Army SF or SFOD-D are expected to be.
15 years ago at 11:12 pmNot knowing that SEAL Team 6 is more badass (and therefore FaF) than your average SEAL team. NF.
15 years ago at 11:12 pmReally hope you’re not referring to me there pal.
15 years ago at 11:15 pmNo, you’re fine. I was kind of tacking my statement onto Brodyssius’ and yours as well. People should at least have some idea about our Special Forces beyond what they learned from Call of Duty.
15 years ago at 11:51 pmHonest mistake then, just training to be a SEAL actually so I get testy about some of the bull that gets thrown around. But I agree, Call of Duty and Wikipedia aren’t viable sources about US SOF.
15 years ago at 12:30 amAgreed…my grammar on that one was piss poor..it’d been a long day.
My post wasn’t meant to pick on the SEALs, merely to call into question the Cadet’s knowledge of his future/current branch of service. The last thing any unit needs is an ignorant officer who THINKS he knows what he’s talking about.
Actually, not all guys in Dev are SEALs. I can say for a fact that they take a JTAC from Force and that they have recently opened it up to willing applicants from Recon Battalions, Force Companies, and MarSOC. I do wonder if such members are forever considered somewhat second-class because they don’t wear a Trident…Gold Wings and Bubble, while generally synonymous with the same means of insertion, aren’t the same as wearing the Trident obviously.
The majority of them are, of course SEALs, but there is a clear distinction between them and your regular team guys–as most team guys will tell you. Yes, they are generally more laid back as well–both for better and for worse. Mission Planning is essential to successful operations and it isn’t particularly the SEAL’s forte–perhaps given that they don’t really have another ground component to draw such planning experience from. I can direct you to a number of books on the matter if you would like to debate this.
The raid on bin Laden, however was clearly well-planned. I wonder if having an Admiral in the lead had something to do with that…or the fact that the President and likely the Joint Chiefs were watching live and wouldn’t have ok’d the op were a good plan not in place.
Anyway, good luck at BUD/S man…or SQT or wherever you are in the pipeline. One day at a time…
15 years ago at 7:49 am