The Civil War II: North Frats vs. Southern Fraternities, Part 1 of 9
“Civil war? What does that mean? Is there any foreign war? Isn’t every war fought between men, between brothers?” – Victor Hugo
Being in a fraternity is like graduating from a state school, or writing a column on TFM: we like to think anyone actually gives a shit. I mean, we have some self-righteous notions about the superiority of Greek life, right? Chances are good that you’ll click down to the comments here and read some entreaty about the talent of the fraternity man and his ability to make lots of money (as if the first question any Fortune 500 CEO asks prospective employees is “Frat?”). And we have rosy outlooks about our house and our chapter. Our particular school, of course, means a lot to us as well. There’s something else, though — a strong undercurrent of division I’ve noticed ever since someone commented below one of my articles: “Why is a Northern Jew telling me anything?” That one went in the scrapbook, by the way, and to answer your question: because we have all the money and run all of your entertainment.
The South is better than the North, the North is better than the South, and on and on. It’s easy to understand; frat life on either side of the Mason Dixon is vastly different — almost incomparable if not for the simple fact that they proudly display Greek letters and homoerotically haze freshmen. So, let’s break this down once and for all. Which region of the country has the superior fraternity life? Is it the “racist half-wits” from the South? Or is it the “classless A-holes” from the North?
First, a few rules and notes: in the interest of fairness, I will be breaking this down in nine separate categories over the coming weeks, and attempting to find a winner in each individual category in order to avoid generalizations. For our purposes, the South will be anything below the traditional Mason Dixon, with a couple noted exceptions — I’m counting Maryland as a northern state because I think that’s basically how they feel about it (everyone from Potomac is nodding their head while eating Rosh Hashanah leftovers). Texas will be considered as its own country. Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada will be counted as part of California, and California will not be counted at all. Sorry, California.
As for me, I’m as independent a party as you’ll find. Though I live in New York and attended Penn State, I’ve been to several schools and houses across the South and had the time of my life. Also, my school recently covered up kid-rape, so, you know, I don’t really have a horse in the race here. Nevertheless, I have a deep appreciation of fraternities and Greek life, so I’m attacking this with the anthropological passion of Jane Goodall, minus having sex with gorillas.
Our first category will be General Attitude. Let’s dive in:
General Attitude
A quick story: I went down to Georgia for a wedding and ended up playing golf with the groom’s party because I didn’t know many people there, and that southern hospitality ain’t no joke. I saw a huge old mansion just off the course and just offhandedly asked some dude if there are a lot of old plantation houses still around. His answer: “Not since your boy Sherman burned ’em all down.” As his buddies all nodded in agreement, I thought, “Who the fuck is Sherman?” Then some forgotten synapse fired to remind me that in 7th grade we spent half a Social Studies period talking about General Sherman burning the South in the Civil War before we moved on forever.
Not to trivialize the Civil War here, but I think we’re all in agreement that the general outcome was a positive one, so it’s fascinating to me that these guys still kind of viewed it as a “loss.” And there’s another phenomenon at work here: The Loser’s Lament. For example, Notre Dame football has probably never even thought about Navy except for the week of the game, but I can guarantee you Navy has a hard-on for Notre Dame the first day of training camp. The Tri-Lambs celebrated like crazy after winning the Greek Games, while the Alpha Betas felt pissed then moved on to climb a new sorority’s mountain of vaginas. So, whenever a northerner sees a bumper sticker that says, “The south will rise again,” he doesn’t proudly point to his “Remember how we won?” sticker. All he thinks is, “Isn’t that racist adorable?”
I truly believe that a disappointing loss in a war 150 years ago, regardless of the larger implications, still colors the history and attitude of the southern man, handed down generation after generation. But disappointment breeds care, and if there’s one thing a southerner does, it’s care. And identify. They find solace in their region and history and families, and it’s the reason the southeast is the only place you’ll ever hear a stadium full of people chant, not for their team, but for their league. It’s something no one from the North understands, and I have to say, that’s kind of a shame. The South cares more, and so it bleeds fraternity life a bit more, celebrates it more, talks about it more, makes cheesy, awful videos for recruitment more, and that’s something.
Then again, there’s an old expression in football and sex: “Act like you’ve been there before.” There is something just a touch desperate about it all. While we northerners tend to brush off the debates so we can keep fist pumping, the southerners take to the comment threads of TFM to plead their case about the southern man’s superiority. Sorry, guys, no one’s really listening but the choir.
Nevertheless, I suppose I’d rather have a chapter room full of people who care than a bunch of guys in lax pinnies who can’t get their noses out of the coke bowl long enough to put together a decent week-long. So, yeah, I’ll give this to the South, but maybe give the recruitment videos a rest, you fucking geeks.
General Attitude: The South wins over The North.
Consider me another northern fraternity man (from PA too no less) who can attest to the superiority of southern fraternities (and especially sororities.) I had friends in Greek life in the south. I had female friends in Greek life in the south. Good lord it’s different.
11 years ago at 11:49 amGod bless the South
11 years ago at 11:51 ambut we all agree that Texas is the best, right?
11 years ago at 12:00 pmBest at sucking a bag of dicks.
11 years ago at 3:34 pm^
11 years ago at 12:22 pm^^Texas<South<everybody else
11 years ago at 1:04 pm^You do realize how ‘greater than’ signs work, right?
11 years ago at 1:19 pmApparently you don’t know what less than signs mean.
11 years ago at 12:14 am^
11 years ago at 1:26 pm^^^You sir, are retarded.
11 years ago at 2:55 pmThe South will rise again!
11 years ago at 2:56 pmexcept when the prominent Texans send their children to school in the North. But yeah southern schools r still better…
11 years ago at 3:12 pm^You just proved our point, southern schools “r” better.
11 years ago at 6:59 pmWas replying to colonelmarion having said “Best at sucking dick”. Aka Texas Sucks the least dick followed by the south followed by everyone else. Good to see college is paying dividends to yall boys.
11 years ago at 10:19 amThat is the most retarded fucking logic I have ever heard. You sir, need to suck a bag of dicks. And maybe go fuck your sister or something.
11 years ago at 1:32 pm^I dont think you get it
11 years ago at 7:50 pm^^Doesn’t get it
11 years ago at 9:02 pmThis isn’t even a question. Its widely known that the South does Greek Life better in every regard.
11 years ago at 11:53 amAnd whoever laps me is a butt hurt Yankee who can’t accept that we do it better in the South.
11 years ago at 11:58 amscoreboard
11 years ago at 12:34 pm^
11 years ago at 3:14 pmFuck Kanye West
11 years ago at 11:53 amI think we can all agree on this at least
11 years ago at 1:44 pmand North West
11 years ago at 1:56 pm^By my calculations and her upbringings, I’m betting it’ll be at least 6-7 years before that happens.
11 years ago at 4:44 pmNice
11 years ago at 11:53 amGod bless the South
11 years ago at 11:54 amThis guy claims to be non-biased, but he clearly wanted the North to win this category.
11 years ago at 11:54 amThe fucking South won this category what is wrong with you
11 years ago at 5:26 pmwait I’m confused we needed an article for this? What isn’t better in the south?
11 years ago at 11:54 amYour education blows compared to the north… bunch of cool southern idiots
11 years ago at 12:09 pmActually, the SEC has some of the best schools in the country. Not to mention schools like UVA, Washington and Lee, Clemson, Wake Forest, Duke
11 years ago at 12:22 pm1) Go to the US News & World Report rankings of national universities.
11 years ago at 12:47 pm2) Count the number of southern schools in the top 50
3) Compare that to the number of non-southern schools in the top 50
4) Take a step back
5) Literally fuck your own face
Your schools are a bunch of 4,000 student base colleges that teach nothing out of the left wing mindset
11 years ago at 4:13 pmOle Miss, Miss St, Kentucky, USC, and Alabama are by no means good schools at all. And the cream of the crop schools are all in the North.
11 years ago at 12:54 pmDepends on your program. Ole Miss is an excellent school for Pharmacy and Accounting
11 years ago at 12:57 pmJust checked. Pharmacy: 24 out of 61, Accounting: not in top 20. If by excellent you mean average, then you’re right. Plus Pharmacy isn’t undergrad.
11 years ago at 1:10 pmThe hell are you talking about?
11 years ago at 1:19 pmhttp://news.olemiss.edu/school-of-accountancy-jumps-in-national-rankings/#.UijLBbynoy4
as an accounting major at ole miss let me straighten this out., we’re not ranked high by websites and magazines because they just go off of stereotypes mainly. however, we are ranked #4 by the official national accounting report which is the only thing that really matters. I’d rather be ranked by the real deal than forbes
11 years ago at 1:27 pmI lived in Florida for 2 years, but now I’m in a Fraternity in the north. There isn’t a competition…. As Hank Jr. would say, “if the south woulda won we’d have it made.”
11 years ago at 11:55 am^
11 years ago at 12:22 pmBingo
11 years ago at 12:47 pmWhy, exactly? I don’t get that, why would the south winning / the world adopting southern lifestyles make America a better place? You guys care more, but you don’t do anything with that care. You yell and hoot and holler, but everything that actually gets done in this nation is done in the north. Truf.
Holla at me.
11 years ago at 12:50 pmCalm down buddy, Florida may be located in the south but it’s most definitely a Yankee state.
11 years ago at 3:22 pmWith ignorance such as that, it is quite easy to see how you are in your sixth year. If you honestly feel that the South does nothing “with that care”, congratulations, you are one of the ignorant yankees the entire world despises.
11 years ago at 3:22 pmThere is almost nothing better in the south than the north other than weather, football, and greek life. I’d love to hear an argument from you if you want to try, other than saying I’m ignorant, which sounds to me like you don’t have an argument at all.
There’s a reason the north pounded the south and virtually never had a chance of winning the war – it is the actual lifeblood of the great country. I actually wrote a thesis on this, on how the southern states from the day the war started never had a chance of victory, got an A on it. While the south has the spirit of America, that’s all it has. The things that go on in the North account for 90% of America’s wealth and industry and power. Shut the fuck up and go drink a beer and leave the ruling of the world to the real men.
11 years ago at 6:10 pmPS I’m from Missouri, one of those border states, have lived here my whole life, so it’s not like I’m biased necessarily either way. It’s painfully obvious to me though – I’ll agree that the South probably has better Greek life culture – one of the few things it’s known for. But when it comes to everything else in the world, the North absolutely accounts for almost everything else. When people from outside this country think of “America” they sure as hell aren’t thinking of Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama. No offense to those states at all, great people live there and your guys’ schools are good and all that. But when people think of America, they think of the North, where almost all important things take place.
11 years ago at 6:15 pm^^^^Fuck you guy. Real Floridians don’t claim anything south of Gainesville. The Hispanics and Yankees can have it. Apparently you’ve never spent too much time in the panhandle.
11 years ago at 7:21 amDear Sixth Year,
11 years ago at 11:10 pmThe South is better because the people are nicer, the weather is better, the cities are cleaner, the crime is lower, the sports are better, and the college life is more alive. I’ve been to New York several times because my grandfather lives there and I used to love it. I loved the energy. But when I got to the age that I actually talked to the people there, I realized it was a shithole. I came to appreciate southern hospitality: saying hello to people, not running people over just for fuck’s sake, and not yelling “NO FUCK YOU!” at every other guito because they took your pastrami sub. And if you actually believe the South never had a chance then you won’t be graduating until your eighth year; because until Gettysburg, the north was getting its ass handed to them. The “reason” the north won the war was it had more people and more resources- thats it. They weren’t naturally superior or smarter. And then Sherman burned my home state, destroying everything. As an Atlanta native I can tell you there are 5 antebellum buildings in the entire metro area not burned. He instilled generations-worth of hate and poverty that still scar the South to this day. Also, 17 Presidents have come from the South, while 21 from the north. So congrats you’ve got us by 4, but you’re not some powerhouse that’s pulling along the deadweight of the South. As you can see, go sodomize yourself with a twenty-foot stake.
Sincerely and Truthfully,
The South
North>South.
11 years ago at 11:57 am