The Civil War II: North Frats vs. Southern Fraternities, Part 1 of 9
“Civil war? What does that mean? Is there any foreign war? Isn’t every war fought between men, between brothers?” – Victor Hugo
Being in a fraternity is like graduating from a state school, or writing a column on TFM: we like to think anyone actually gives a shit. I mean, we have some self-righteous notions about the superiority of Greek life, right? Chances are good that you’ll click down to the comments here and read some entreaty about the talent of the fraternity man and his ability to make lots of money (as if the first question any Fortune 500 CEO asks prospective employees is “Frat?”). And we have rosy outlooks about our house and our chapter. Our particular school, of course, means a lot to us as well. There’s something else, though — a strong undercurrent of division I’ve noticed ever since someone commented below one of my articles: “Why is a Northern Jew telling me anything?” That one went in the scrapbook, by the way, and to answer your question: because we have all the money and run all of your entertainment.
The South is better than the North, the North is better than the South, and on and on. It’s easy to understand; frat life on either side of the Mason Dixon is vastly different — almost incomparable if not for the simple fact that they proudly display Greek letters and homoerotically haze freshmen. So, let’s break this down once and for all. Which region of the country has the superior fraternity life? Is it the “racist half-wits” from the South? Or is it the “classless A-holes” from the North?
First, a few rules and notes: in the interest of fairness, I will be breaking this down in nine separate categories over the coming weeks, and attempting to find a winner in each individual category in order to avoid generalizations. For our purposes, the South will be anything below the traditional Mason Dixon, with a couple noted exceptions — I’m counting Maryland as a northern state because I think that’s basically how they feel about it (everyone from Potomac is nodding their head while eating Rosh Hashanah leftovers). Texas will be considered as its own country. Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada will be counted as part of California, and California will not be counted at all. Sorry, California.
As for me, I’m as independent a party as you’ll find. Though I live in New York and attended Penn State, I’ve been to several schools and houses across the South and had the time of my life. Also, my school recently covered up kid-rape, so, you know, I don’t really have a horse in the race here. Nevertheless, I have a deep appreciation of fraternities and Greek life, so I’m attacking this with the anthropological passion of Jane Goodall, minus having sex with gorillas.
Our first category will be General Attitude. Let’s dive in:
General Attitude
A quick story: I went down to Georgia for a wedding and ended up playing golf with the groom’s party because I didn’t know many people there, and that southern hospitality ain’t no joke. I saw a huge old mansion just off the course and just offhandedly asked some dude if there are a lot of old plantation houses still around. His answer: “Not since your boy Sherman burned ’em all down.” As his buddies all nodded in agreement, I thought, “Who the fuck is Sherman?” Then some forgotten synapse fired to remind me that in 7th grade we spent half a Social Studies period talking about General Sherman burning the South in the Civil War before we moved on forever.
Not to trivialize the Civil War here, but I think we’re all in agreement that the general outcome was a positive one, so it’s fascinating to me that these guys still kind of viewed it as a “loss.” And there’s another phenomenon at work here: The Loser’s Lament. For example, Notre Dame football has probably never even thought about Navy except for the week of the game, but I can guarantee you Navy has a hard-on for Notre Dame the first day of training camp. The Tri-Lambs celebrated like crazy after winning the Greek Games, while the Alpha Betas felt pissed then moved on to climb a new sorority’s mountain of vaginas. So, whenever a northerner sees a bumper sticker that says, “The south will rise again,” he doesn’t proudly point to his “Remember how we won?” sticker. All he thinks is, “Isn’t that racist adorable?”
I truly believe that a disappointing loss in a war 150 years ago, regardless of the larger implications, still colors the history and attitude of the southern man, handed down generation after generation. But disappointment breeds care, and if there’s one thing a southerner does, it’s care. And identify. They find solace in their region and history and families, and it’s the reason the southeast is the only place you’ll ever hear a stadium full of people chant, not for their team, but for their league. It’s something no one from the North understands, and I have to say, that’s kind of a shame. The South cares more, and so it bleeds fraternity life a bit more, celebrates it more, talks about it more, makes cheesy, awful videos for recruitment more, and that’s something.
Then again, there’s an old expression in football and sex: “Act like you’ve been there before.” There is something just a touch desperate about it all. While we northerners tend to brush off the debates so we can keep fist pumping, the southerners take to the comment threads of TFM to plead their case about the southern man’s superiority. Sorry, guys, no one’s really listening but the choir.
Nevertheless, I suppose I’d rather have a chapter room full of people who care than a bunch of guys in lax pinnies who can’t get their noses out of the coke bowl long enough to put together a decent week-long. So, yeah, I’ll give this to the South, but maybe give the recruitment videos a rest, you fucking geeks.
General Attitude: The South wins over The North.
Your school covered up kid-rapes*
11 years ago at 11:58 amI feel like the north is much more kind and welcoming.
11 years ago at 11:59 amPlease tell me that was sarcasm.
11 years ago at 11:47 pmGeneral Sherman should be dug up out of his grave and hanged for war crimes. *spits in disgust
11 years ago at 11:59 amYOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!
11 years ago at 12:20 pmOne of the Best comments ever
11 years ago at 12:49 pmI transferred from a Northern school to a southern school and in the case of Greek life, I’d have to give this one to the south.
11 years ago at 11:59 amI really don’t mind HSFS that much. You can haze their balls off without them caring as much as the other kids, they turn out be better brothers also.
11 years ago at 2:21 pmWhoops, that was for the guy who dislikes HSFS
11 years ago at 2:23 pm^ lace em up.
11 years ago at 2:46 pmYou think of some pretty deep shit Jtrain. We need more men like you
11 years ago at 12:00 pmMidwest?
11 years ago at 12:03 pmI’m proud to be an American.
11 years ago at 12:04 pmUnless you have some bullshit categories that favor the north like “fist pumping” or “most diverse,” then this should be a sweep. Don’t mess this up you Yankee fuck.
11 years ago at 12:04 pmDon’t forget “The Most Try Hards” Category either. North takes that one without a doubt.
11 years ago at 12:07 pmThe North has more try hards? You’re kidding, right?
11 years ago at 12:11 pmThe fact you southerners still throw around words like “Yankee” just goes to show what a bunch of insecure fuckers with Little Brother Syndrome you all are.
NOT OUR RIVAL *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
11 years ago at 12:17 pm^^^Sarcasm?? If I had a nickel for every shitty [insert: the South, fraternity, gentleman, polo, bow tie, pastel] clothing line, I’d have a shit ton of nickels.
11 years ago at 12:27 pmno one in the north dresses up to try to look fratty, its all of you in the south. wearing a 5 inch inseam doesnt make you or your school greek. its pretend
11 years ago at 12:32 pmYes it was sarcasm. Jesus, y’all are easy to rile up.
11 years ago at 12:39 pm^^ yeah because y’all wearing cargos and hoodies with your big fat Greek letters is any better
11 years ago at 5:31 pmIt seems majority of southern fraternity men are posers. Everyone is wearing the standard “frat” clothes that they never have worn before. wearing a bowtie to a formal or croakies when you don’t even have a boat is squid move. College prep look is a nothern style that began at ivies which you simple folk should know are all in NE. And the people who wear it in the north are the ones who grew up with in this lifestyle. Additionally it is safe to say majority of the better schools are in NE, many of which have massive greek life. The only benefit to a southern school typically is the larger/ better athletics programs. Also a benefit to southern schools is that many have actual fraternity houses unlike the many off campus type frats in the north, which are bullshit
11 years ago at 12:08 pmI mean, those last two sentences explain everything. Thanks, pal.
11 years ago at 12:17 pmyes but you are not a college athlete, so its fun to tailgate ur team in college. However every greek life school does this. If you look at ranks of party/frat/fun schools many are in north and at the end of the day these kids will have earned an actual degree that doesn’t only matter in ur home state. Stop sucking ur sisters clit and youll understand this
11 years ago at 12:29 pmYes, that Northern education is really paying off from what I can tell through the way you type.
11 years ago at 12:38 pm^
11 years ago at 12:39 pm*^^^
11 years ago at 12:40 pmreal original and in case u forgot were on a gossip website bro… also for someone trying to write correctly u botched urs
11 years ago at 12:45 pm11 years ago at 12:51 pm
At least you tried, Apricots. That’s all anyone can ask for.
11 years ago at 2:32 pmthought i had it for a bit.. but I’m sensing this site is overwhelmed by southern folk. Hey at least the South gets to win this internet argument over the North.
11 years ago at 3:10 pmI’d be more than happy to slap the arrogance out of your mouth boy. You Northerners like to talk a lot of shit, but everyone knows that Southerners throw down. And clothes we have never worn before? I was wearing boat shoes and oxfords when I was 12. Just because you can’t afford the good brands doesn’t make us posers, champ.
11 years ago at 3:29 pmWest Virginia? Tell me again how wealthy you are. That’s a joke.
11 years ago at 4:20 pmWest Virginia is part of the North.. true story
11 years ago at 4:40 pmI bet apricots wears cargos and a tee shirt with his huge patched on letters to show everyone that he is in a fraternity.
11 years ago at 5:44 pmthis is what ur not understanding in regards to the clothing… people in the northeast grew up wearing prep style clothing living along the east coast and attending prep schools, like myself. But over and over again i see people on here or in person dressing “fratty” and these people are tryhards. But this is from shit like this website that freshman read and use to try to get bids or wut have u. This obviously happens across America, but predominately in the South. And to ur point cowboy.. not sure if you ever been a few miles from your home town, but no one dresses as you stated at a true greek school in NE… again college prep was invented in the NE and it remains there.
11 years ago at 6:24 pmYou are so fucking annoying, Apricots
11 years ago at 1:55 pmSouthern fraternities always seem from afar much more like a fantasy-world microcosm where the aspects of Greek life that seem like parody in the north are reality. And I mean that in the best possible way.
11 years ago at 12:13 pm