Major Media Outlets Are Questioning The Legitimacy Of Rolling Stone’s Feature On UVA Rape
Only two weeks have passed since Rolling Stone published an incendiary column detailing a brutal gang-rape at the UVA Phi Psi house, along with the University of Virginia’s incompetence in its wake. The column sparked protests at the university and across the country. It also led to the suspension of all UVA fraternities, and an investigation is ongoing.
As the story continues to gain an ever-increasing amount of press coverage, several major media outlets have admitted their skepticism regarding the reporting and factual evidence surrounding the Rolling Stone feature. The New York Times and Washington Post have both publicly questioned its credibility, and a columnist from the Los Angeles Times has gone so far as saying he does not believe the incident ever happened. The reporter who wrote the story for Rolling Stone, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, is at the heart of the criticism.
The Washington Post’s argument centers on the lack of effort put into locating and interviewing the fraternity brothers accused by Jackie, the alleged victim.
From The Washington Post:
* Erdely didn’t talk to the alleged perpetrators of the attack, as The Washington Post’s Paul Farhi has reported.
When asked repeatedly on that Slate podcast whether she’d interviewed the accused, Erdely sounded evasive. Here’s a rough transcript of the back-and-forth:
Slate DoubleX Podcast: Did they respond about this, did they deny it? What was their response to the allegations?
Erdely: There was never a need for a response until I stepped in apparently because it wasn’t until I started asking questions that the university put them under some kind of investigation or so they said. It was unclear to me whether there was actually an investigation. The university said that they were under investigation but when I spoke to the Phi Psi chapter and also to the Phi Psi national representative, both of them said that they were not aware of any kind of university investigation….
Slate: But did the boys say anything to you? The thing about it is that everybody in the story seems to know who they are…
Erdely: There’s no doubt that — people seem to know who these people are….I would speculate that life inside a frat house is a probably, you know, you have this kind of communal life where everybody is sort of sharing information…People are living lives closely with one another and it seems impossible to imagine that people didn’t know about this.
Slate: Did they try to contact you? Did you try and call them. Was there any communication between you and them?
Erdely: Yeah, I reached out to them in multiple ways. They were kind of hard to get in touch with because their contact page was pretty outdated, but I wound up speaking…with their local president who sent me an email and then I talked with their national guy who’s kind of like their national crisis manager –
Slate: But not the actual boys –
Erdely: They were both helpful in their own way, I guess. All they really said was, they both claim to have been really shocked by the allegations when they were told by the university. And they both said that this is a really tragic thing and if only we had more information we could look into it and that’s the end of that.
Those answers look bad for Rolling Stone. Perhaps Erdely didn’t understand what she was being asked — that is, whether she spoke with the actual alleged perpetrators themselves. She answers only the much different question of whether she spoke to fraternity management, a much less central matter.
This lapse is inexcusable. Even if the accused aren’t named in the story, Erdely herself acknowledges that “people seem to know who these people are.” If they were being cited in the story for mere drunkenness, boorish frat-boy behavior or similar collegiate misdemeanors, then there’d be no harm in failing to secure their input. The charge in this piece, however, is gang rape, and so requires every possible step to reach out and interview them, including e-mails, phone calls, certified letters, FedEx letters, UPS letters and, if all of that fails, a knock on the door. No effort short of all that qualifies as journalism.
The New York Times also states that the reporter’s inability or unwillingness to contact those accused raises red flags, while others say their skepticism is fueled by the column’s “apocryphal tropes.”
From The New York Times:
In an interview Tuesday, Ms. Erdely said that she stood by her reporting.
“I am convinced that it could not have been done any other way, or any better,” she said. “I am also not interested in diverting the conversation away from the point of the piece itself.” The real scandal, she said, is that the university administration did not pursue the accusations further.
Still, some journalists have raised questions about the story. Richard Bradley, who as an editor at George magazine was duped by the former New Republic writer and fabulist Stephen Glass, said in an essay that he had since learned to be skeptical of articles that confirm existing public narratives. “This story contains a lot of apocryphal tropes,” he wrote.
Los Angeles Times columnist Jonah Goldberg openly states that he does not believe the Rolling Stone column.
From The Los Angeles Times:
But when I say the story is incredible, I mean that in the literal, largely abandoned sense of the word. It is not credible — I don’t believe it.
Goldberg believes the facts reported do not match the common sense version of what may have occurred that night:
Much of what is alleged (though Erdely never uses the word “alleged”) isn’t suitable for a family paper. Some of the rest is unpersuasive. The pitch-black darkness doesn’t prevent Jackie from counting the pledges or from recognizing an attacker. The nicknames she hears — “Armpit” and “Blanket” — sound bizarre, even by fraternity standards.
At 3 a.m. Jackie leaves the still-raging party, “her face beaten, dress spattered with blood,” without anyone seeing her. Distraught, she calls three friends, Andy, Randall and Cindy (not their real names) for help. They arrive in “minutes.” One of the male friends says they have to take her to the hospital. Cindy replies, “Is that such a good idea?” adding, “Her reputation will be shot for the next four years.”
Erdely expounds: “Andy seconded the opinion, adding that since he and Randall both planned to rush fraternities, they ought to think this through. The three friends launched into a heated discussion about the social price of reporting Jackie’s rape.”
Really? If that’s true — and we don’t know that Erdely talked to anyone but Jackie about that conversation — these are among the worst friends imaginable. And what a convenient conversation for an expose of rape culture.
Goldberg wraps up his opinion piece by calling out the media’s “uncritical” reporting of the case, and he compares it to the reporting that followed the Duke lacrosse accusations:
The same goes for much of the media, which have yet to independently corroborate the story, loading it instead with context about the “rape epidemic” and evidence supporting the questionable statistic that 1 in 5 college women are sexually assaulted. Then again, the media also uncritically reported Tawana Brawley’s stories and those of the accusers of the Duke lacrosse team — until the rest of the media started doing their jobs.
The increased media scrutiny is sure to only add more fire to an already volatile case..
I’m just really fucking tired of the media these days.
11 years ago at 2:03 pmAmen. Just when I thought they couldn’t go any lower, Ferguson came along and proved me wrong. Mainstream media took and created any opportunity they could to exploit that situation into a race war.
11 years ago at 2:49 pmThe fact that the NY times called this writer out for shit journalism and sensationalism speaks volumes in itself
11 years ago at 11:44 amI can only imagine what this great country would be like if it weren’t strongarmed by the leftist media. Rolling Stone is irrelevant nowadays anyway.
11 years ago at 2:06 pmYup, because fox spewing hate speech is really moving this country in the right direction. I know this may be hard to grasp for some of you, but extremists on Both sides are fucking up this nation. If people could get the fuck over their petty allegiances to their political parties and work towards a solution we wouldn’t have so many problems. But no, keep shitting on liberals, because that’s going to solve your problem. Didn’t know bitching was so frat.
11 years ago at 2:28 pmI don’t suck Fox’s dick like some, but I do believe they’re less to blame than many. Other outlets spew what much more closely resembles “hate speech”. Everybody has an agenda, but some are much more reasonable about it than others. Also, because of how blown out of proportion many liberal news sources are, they attract a larger audience who just comes for the fireworks.
11 years ago at 2:36 pm“Yup, because fox spewing hate speech is really moving this country in the right direction.”
I only tune in to Fox occasionally in the night time (I mainly get my news from TheBlaze, Breitbart, & RedState) but when I do it’s typically fair and balanced conversation.
” I know this may be hard to grasp for some of you, but extremists on Both sides are fucking up this nation.”
Nothing extreme about freedom, bud. When you think about it, us constitutional conservatives are actually the moderates in today’s political spectrum.
“If people could get the fuck over their petty allegiances to their political parties and work towards a solution we wouldn’t have so many problems.”
This has nothing to do with party, it has to do with ideology. And the left is constantly trying to ram an anti-american, socialist ideology against the people’s wishes.
“But no, keep shitting on liberals, because that’s going to solve your problem. Didn’t know bitching was so frat.”
This is where you lose all of your credibility. LIBERALS ARE THE PROBLEM. Yet we’re constantly told to move more to the center aka move to the left. How about they move to the center or right? Last time I checked the majority of Americans don’t want the IRS taking nearly 40% of what they make. Or being forced to pay for someone else’s healthcare, or abortion. Or how about returning power to the states so people can live as they wish huh? Take California for example, in 2008 there was a vote to ban gay marriage, guess what, in super liberal California the people voted to BAN gay marriage. But it was overturned by a judicial activist who just cares about ideology. You can’t compromise when it comes to freedom.
11 years ago at 2:56 pmYou just proved my point champ, the last part wasn’t letting liberals off the hook. As long as you have the, “it’s not me it’s them” attitude the bipartisan problems America is facing will only continue. Hannity called the president a terrorist, that sounds very anti-american to me. Fox news uses emotional headlines to rile up their conservative audience just as news outlets like MSNBC do to get views themselves. These media outlets use emotions, not logic, to deliver the news and rake in shitloads of money. If you honestly think the only problem with this nation is the left side, you are part of the problem. By the way, my final point was that complaining about liberals on sites like TFM will not make a difference. You guys constantly bitch and moan about Obama and the liberals like it’s going to solve the problem. Vote and let America’s democratic system go to work. Sorry that Obama is not the president you believe is fit to run this country but he was elected and that’s the trade off in living in a democratic country. For men who seem love American freedom and democracy, you don’t seem to respect the system all that much.
11 years ago at 3:30 pmI have that attitude because it’s true, it really isn’t us for the most part, it’s them. The partisanship comes from the uncompromising left. Right now we have an illegal immigration problem and while we might disagree on what to do with the people already here we’re not addressing the real problem which is the open borders. Guess what? Both Democrats and Republicans can agree that we need to seal the border so we don’t have to deal with this problem again, but Obama isn’t doing anything about it! Just a few days ago he said the border was secure! Or even back when Reagan was president, we legally granted amnesty through congress in exchange of securing the border, you know what we got? Nothing. I get what you’re saying about complaining on here but this is the place where we say shit like this, it’s the equivalent of barbershop talk. Stop being so sympathetic to the liberals, sure there’s problems on both sides but we’re right the majority of the time.
11 years ago at 3:43 pmObama isn’t concerned about a mass of immoral, uneducated, criminals coming into the country, he’s concerned about more votes. In fact, he is willing to put $2.6 trillion into America’s debt for those votes (the estimated cost of amnesty).
11 years ago at 9:08 pmIt’s quite sad to see so many dislikes on your comments and so many likes on the others
11 years ago at 10:49 pmThat’s because everyone here knows that sexual assaults/rapes should be punished severely, and are fed up with people like him and you saying “we are part of the problem”, when it’s not us, but a small percentage of fucked up guys that do that. Kinda like how it’s a small percentage of women that, abuse child support/alimony, lie to the father about the kid being their’s, etc.
11 years ago at 2:37 pmFox news generally has a very conservative bias while other news stations such as CNN and MSNBC have a typically liberal bias. I’d consider myself a moderate conservative, but just because I agree with points Fox may be making doesn’t mean they aren’t spinning a news story to direct me that way. If you label yourself as as a liberal or conservative and always find yourself agreeing with the commentators on a particular network but not on another, you’re either naive or just lying to yourself. Also for the record there’s ignorant shitbirds on both sides of the spectrum that are fucking this country over, but I usually hate liberal pussies more.
11 years ago at 3:42 pmThank you, I completely agree with what you said. Though I tend to hate angry resentful conservatives more than your liberal pussy.
11 years ago at 3:45 pmThe fuck do you care about politics when you should just try to do the right thing? You are part of the problem.
11 years ago at 1:06 amDoing what your interpretation of the “right thing” may be for a given situation is essentially the entire point of politics. That also had literally nothing to do with my statement.
11 years ago at 12:08 pmHonestly bro you don’t make any sense. Your arguments contradict your points. You argue against opinions. Paraphrasing you, “Liberals are the problem and that guy is wrong because he says liberals aren’t the problem!” In other words “I’m not wrong, you’re wrong!” You sound like a ten year old. Why don’t you try thinking about your own personal views instead of constantly trying to fall under a certain category? You want to be conservative because we’re rich? We’re rich cause we’re smart as fuck and we don’t listen to whatever bullshit we hear or even what’s told to us because we have a handle on our views and goals. You’re a lost sheep looking for a flock. Like that kid in school who tries so hard to make friends that he really has none, because nobody knows the real him. Figure your shit out, man, before you go bashing other people’s views like you think you’re smarter than they are.
11 years ago at 1:26 amI have a hunch this site isn’t for you.
11 years ago at 6:08 pmThank you
11 years ago at 10:46 pmIt’s all media. Not just the left.
11 years ago at 3:20 pmJust another example of how the media today hardly ever calls into question girl’s claim that she was raped. We are making it too easy to ruin people’s lives based on heresy and drunken decisions by irresponsible girls who delegitimize actual rape cases.
11 years ago at 2:10 pmI don’t think heresy has ruined anyone’s life since the Inquisition…
But I do agree that it’s unfortunate that false accusations (however exceptional they may be) can ruin lives and invalidate the claims of actual victims of rape.
11 years ago at 3:07 pmSeems as though the media has become judge and jury. These fraternity men have been deemed guilty before they can even defend themselves. I hope justice is served on both sides and the woman that wrote this column is fired! Thoughts go out to UVA.
11 years ago at 2:12 pmhttps://totalfratmove.wpengine.com/rolling-stone-column-reveals-disturbing-rape-culture-at-uva-phi-psi-house-attacked-in-protest/
It’s a sad day when a site that used to be about and for fraternities is in that boat.
I don’t think any fraternity member should be able to take that story seriously. Can anyone seriously see 8 of their brothers drugging, beating, and raping their partygoers? It’s a boogeyman style myth, I don’t know why fraternities would even bother acknowledging it without a shred of proof.
11 years ago at 9:23 amIf this is proven as a lie, the weight of the law should be dumped on her and the bitch reporter.
Because of her potential lie, the lives of fraternity men may be ruined. She’s already delivered a black eye to the school. You want to expose a “rape culture” in fraternity life? Expose the rapists.
Fuck her and the accuser if they lied. Both ought to be in jail for slander and defamation if this horrible claim is proven otherwise.
11 years ago at 2:13 pmI’m sure nationals and the school will make sure they go to jail.
11 years ago at 3:03 pmI didn’t believe the story from the moment I read it. Statements like telling the pledges to rape her “because it’s tradition” would imply that they’ve been making pledges gang rape girls for years, which is absolutely ridiculous in the context of any credible case would have been damning a long time ago. But no, of course all fraternity men are heartless raping monsters who feel no remorse right? Or the fact that her friends talked her out of reporting a violent gang rape because it would “destroy her reputation”, or because it would somehow affect the two completely un-involved male friends from joining a fraternity (how exactly?).
If someone is forced to have sex against their will I am 100% for locking that fucker up for 20 years, but this story sounded somewhere between ridiculously exaggerated to completely fake from the very beginning.
11 years ago at 4:14 pmIn the defense of Phi Psi as soon as the Rolling Stones story broke they made all their boys watch a movie and fill out a survey about valuing and respecting women!
11 years ago at 7:39 pmMy bad I’m new! I meant to post a comment not a reply #embarrassing
11 years ago at 7:40 pmGet out
11 years ago at 8:23 pmI meant this as a supportive comment to the fraternity and I apologize it came out wrong (in defense of…) My boyfriend is a Phi Psi and when the story broke we were very sad! Not only does this make his fraternity look bad nationally but also hearing that your brothers from other universities could be this skeezy is very upsetting! I’m happy that this article could be potentially untrue!
11 years ago at 8:30 pmYou’re new here, so I’ll explain how this works…
Tits or gtfo.
11 years ago at 8:34 pmI’m impressed that Phi Psi nationals took action immediately and I’m proud that they took responsibility (whether or not the claims be true or untrue)! Although the Rolling Stones article seemed a bit far-fetched I don’t know enough to say whether I believe it to be true or untrue but I sure hope that it’s found false! I feel for this fraternity nationally and I hope that this story doesn’t make them look bad
11 years ago at 8:38 pmDon’t tell my username fool you! I know that this is a guys site and that it’s where y’all should feel able, as fraternity men, to say what you want to say without anyone giving you grief about being political correct! I wouldn’t comment on anything I disagreed with, only the things I support! I thought that as a girl commenting might help a little since PKP is suffering from a brutal rape accusation. Sorry for the exsive commenting! #vyvanse #finals
11 years ago at 8:44 pm*excessive
11 years ago at 8:51 pmGTFO, Joe Willie.
11 years ago at 8:59 pmYou are supporting them and probably have a ding-a-ling of some size, shape, or sort. Men who commit this kind of atrocity are not men, and they do not deserve to be in a fraternity.
11 years ago at 1:04 amWhoever told me to take a lap has about a 51% chance of being a rapist.
11 years ago at 2:43 amGET OFF OUR SITE, TROLL.
11 years ago at 1:01 amProbably a fake account created by a Phi Psi. I don’t know a single self-respecting female who talks like that. Then again, if she dates a Phi Psi she has no self respect so this could just as easily be real.
11 years ago at 1:00 amNobody likes to look bad, but if he didn’t do anything wrong he should continue to carry himself the way he always has, in the face of adversity.
11 years ago at 1:16 amOK no names have been mentioned and the worst that happens is the chapter has their charter revoked temporarily. That does not in any way ruin a single person’s life.
Assuming the investigation led to some sort of criminal trial, the odds of acquittal are high for this kind of thing, and again, nobody’s lives are ruined. Set back, maybe. Temporarily difficult, sure, but life goes on. Nobody’s life was ever ruined because their chapter “got fucked.” Even if the alleged rapist was found and got kicked out of school, his life will continue and he can graduate from community college, get a job, and find a way to rebuild. The worst type of people in the whole fucking world are those who blame others for their problems. If you make your bed, you should sleep in it, not bitch and whine about how your pillow wasn’t fluffed enough. Work your ass past it, Chief. You’re starting to sound like a liberal.
Also just want to note that I went to UVA to visit a female friend of mine during my freshman year, which was 2011, and when she gave me a tour of fraternity row she pointed to the Phi Psi house and said, “That’s the rape house. We don’t go in there.” So obviously this has been going on for some time, and it is about time that shitty behavior got stopped. Would you rape someone and then bitch about how getting charged with rape ruined your life? What about the girl who got raped, how do you think she feels? Fuck off, man. I hate you.
11 years ago at 12:56 amThat was the most ignorant and most unintelligent comment I have ever read here. I don’t even know where to start…oh wait, yeah I do; hopefully I’ll find a time machine, and stop you from ever meeting the hard surface that has obviously effected your thought process. Wish me luck!
11 years ago at 11:35 amI actually didn’t read one word you said. Saw -15 and instantly thumbs down. Better luck next year.
11 years ago at 12:13 pmThen again, if a chick gets raped she should just accept that it’s a possibility of life for being a woman, and go ahead and get over it, right? FU
11 years ago at 2:40 amWell I’m glad they’ll be able to pay for repairing their house after they sue the shit out of her for slander
11 years ago at 2:15 pmIf the these 3 left wing, usually anti-fraternity newspapers are expressing doubt, then I think that everyone should really look deeper into this case and not just make assumptions
11 years ago at 2:17 pmHell, plenty of fraternity guys here even believed the story unquestioningly. Props to every outlet scrutinizing this story. People need to know the truth, regardless of whose agenda it serves.
11 years ago at 2:23 pmThe ignorant media always finds a way to blame Greek life for anything without substantial amount of evidence towards a case. #FreeUVA
11 years ago at 2:34 pmKinda sucks being a fraternity man in VA right now the entire state greek life is under scrutiny.
11 years ago at 2:37 pm