Major Media Outlets Are Questioning The Legitimacy Of Rolling Stone’s Feature On UVA Rape

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Only two weeks have passed since Rolling Stone published an incendiary column detailing a brutal gang-rape at the UVA Phi Psi house, along with the University of Virginia’s incompetence in its wake. The column sparked protests at the university and across the country. It also led to the suspension of all UVA fraternities, and an investigation is ongoing.

As the story continues to gain an ever-increasing amount of press coverage, several major media outlets have admitted their skepticism regarding the reporting and factual evidence surrounding the Rolling Stone feature. The New York Times and Washington Post have both publicly questioned its credibility, and a columnist from the Los Angeles Times has gone so far as saying he does not believe the incident ever happened. The reporter who wrote the story for Rolling Stone, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, is at the heart of the criticism.

The Washington Post’s argument centers on the lack of effort put into locating and interviewing the fraternity brothers accused by Jackie, the alleged victim.

From The Washington Post:

* Erdely didn’t talk to the alleged perpetrators of the attack, as The Washington Post’s Paul Farhi has reported.

When asked repeatedly on that Slate podcast whether she’d interviewed the accused, Erdely sounded evasive. Here’s a rough transcript of the back-and-forth:

Slate DoubleX Podcast: Did they respond about this, did they deny it? What was their response to the allegations?

Erdely: There was never a need for a response until I stepped in apparently because it wasn’t until I started asking questions that the university put them under some kind of investigation or so they said. It was unclear to me whether there was actually an investigation. The university said that they were under investigation but when I spoke to the Phi Psi chapter and also to the Phi Psi national representative, both of them said that they were not aware of any kind of university investigation….

Slate: But did the boys say anything to you? The thing about it is that everybody in the story seems to know who they are…

Erdely: There’s no doubt that — people seem to know who these people are….I would speculate that life inside a frat house is a probably, you know, you have this kind of communal life where everybody is sort of sharing information…People are living lives closely with one another and it seems impossible to imagine that people didn’t know about this.

Slate: Did they try to contact you? Did you try and call them. Was there any communication between you and them?

Erdely: Yeah, I reached out to them in multiple ways. They were kind of hard to get in touch with because their contact page was pretty outdated, but I wound up speaking…with their local president who sent me an email and then I talked with their national guy who’s kind of like their national crisis manager –

Slate: But not the actual boys –

Erdely: They were both helpful in their own way, I guess. All they really said was, they both claim to have been really shocked by the allegations when they were told by the university. And they both said that this is a really tragic thing and if only we had more information we could look into it and that’s the end of that.

Those answers look bad for Rolling Stone. Perhaps Erdely didn’t understand what she was being asked — that is, whether she spoke with the actual alleged perpetrators themselves. She answers only the much different question of whether she spoke to fraternity management, a much less central matter.

This lapse is inexcusable. Even if the accused aren’t named in the story, Erdely herself acknowledges that “people seem to know who these people are.” If they were being cited in the story for mere drunkenness, boorish frat-boy behavior or similar collegiate misdemeanors, then there’d be no harm in failing to secure their input. The charge in this piece, however, is gang rape, and so requires every possible step to reach out and interview them, including e-mails, phone calls, certified letters, FedEx letters, UPS letters and, if all of that fails, a knock on the door. No effort short of all that qualifies as journalism.

The New York Times also states that the reporter’s inability or unwillingness to contact those accused raises red flags, while others say their skepticism is fueled by the column’s “apocryphal tropes.”

From The New York Times:

In an interview Tuesday, Ms. Erdely said that she stood by her reporting.

“I am convinced that it could not have been done any other way, or any better,” she said. “I am also not interested in diverting the conversation away from the point of the piece itself.” The real scandal, she said, is that the university administration did not pursue the accusations further.

Still, some journalists have raised questions about the story. Richard Bradley, who as an editor at George magazine was duped by the former New Republic writer and fabulist Stephen Glass, said in an essay that he had since learned to be skeptical of articles that confirm existing public narratives. “This story contains a lot of apocryphal tropes,” he wrote.

Los Angeles Times columnist Jonah Goldberg openly states that he does not believe the Rolling Stone column.

From The Los Angeles Times:

But when I say the story is incredible, I mean that in the literal, largely abandoned sense of the word. It is not credible — I don’t believe it.

Goldberg believes the facts reported do not match the common sense version of what may have occurred that night:

Much of what is alleged (though Erdely never uses the word “alleged”) isn’t suitable for a family paper. Some of the rest is unpersuasive. The pitch-black darkness doesn’t prevent Jackie from counting the pledges or from recognizing an attacker. The nicknames she hears — “Armpit” and “Blanket” — sound bizarre, even by fraternity standards.

At 3 a.m. Jackie leaves the still-raging party, “her face beaten, dress spattered with blood,” without anyone seeing her. Distraught, she calls three friends, Andy, Randall and Cindy (not their real names) for help. They arrive in “minutes.” One of the male friends says they have to take her to the hospital. Cindy replies, “Is that such a good idea?” adding, “Her reputation will be shot for the next four years.”

Erdely expounds: “Andy seconded the opinion, adding that since he and Randall both planned to rush fraternities, they ought to think this through. The three friends launched into a heated discussion about the social price of reporting Jackie’s rape.”
Really? If that’s true — and we don’t know that Erdely talked to anyone but Jackie about that conversation — these are among the worst friends imaginable. And what a convenient conversation for an expose of rape culture.

Goldberg wraps up his opinion piece by calling out the media’s “uncritical” reporting of the case, and he compares it to the reporting that followed the Duke lacrosse accusations:

The same goes for much of the media, which have yet to independently corroborate the story, loading it instead with context about the “rape epidemic” and evidence supporting the questionable statistic that 1 in 5 college women are sexually assaulted. Then again, the media also uncritically reported Tawana Brawley’s stories and those of the accusers of the Duke lacrosse team — until the rest of the media started doing their jobs.

The increased media scrutiny is sure to only add more fire to an already volatile case.

[via Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times]

  1. Sleazy Asshole

    A false rape allegation? What a surprise. Fuck all of you that actually believed this bitch.

    11 years ago at 2:38 pm
    1. Rdip357

      What would be the girl’s motive to lie about such a brutal incident? Sure, there are inconsistencies, but it is quite clear that the girl was raped. What if you were her, and there were people like you saying “fuck anyone who believes you”? How would that shit make you feel bro?

      11 years ago at 2:54 pm
      1. Reagonomics_

        What’s her motive? Maybe she has a personal vendetta against members of that fraternity, or just has an overall dislike for Greek Life in general. A rape accusation, false or not, is something that forces the accused in to the spotlight, and even the innocent are viewed differently based solely on the voice of the accuser and those who would believe her. So before you go saying that “it is quite clear that the girl was raped” you need to consider the very probable scenario of the girl attempting to garner attention for herself while simultaneously casting a bad light on UVA Greeks

        11 years ago at 3:20 pm
      2. Rdip357

        Maybe she was trying to garner attention, which is quite possible I agree, but what if she wasn’t? Obviously this case was not investigated enough and definitely needs more evidence. But if you realized lately there as been slews of rape allegations among colleges, whether it be associated with a fraternity or not. Clearly it’s a problem, and yes the rolling stone article was a bit extreme and quite possibly false, but that doesn’t mean that rape among colleges isn’t a problem anymore.

        11 years ago at 10:57 pm
      3. Fratty Couples PGA

        Why would she have a personal vendetta? Was she or one of her friends or sorority sisters raped? Think about what you’re saying.

        11 years ago at 4:36 am
  2. notpreppyfratty

    The story seemed skeptical when it first came out. Glad somebody is pushing for the truth instead of jumping on the accusation

    11 years ago at 2:38 pm
  3. A Sarcastic Asshole

    As a UVA student, it’s really nice to see this. We have had serious doubts ever since the article was published due to its many inconsistencies, the main one being that the article describes this as a hazing ritual (“You want to be a brother don’t you?”) but the alleged incident took place in Fall 2012, and UVA only allows freshmen to rush and pledge in the spring, and they are all initiated before fall. Sophomores and Juniors can rush in the fall, but only the worst fraternities take fall classes here and Phi Kappa Psi is not one of the ones that does. So it makes no sense for it to be hazing. So basically, it makes no sense that this would be Phi Psi hazing in the fall, since they just don’t do it.

    I believe that the girl was probably sexually assaulted, and that our administration has done a poor job of helping sexual assault victims find justice, but that’s about all I believe from the article. Of course, it’s tough for us to voice these criticisms due to the obvious bias everyone assumes we have (we’re frat guys, so obviously we’re all rapists), so it’s a huge relief to see that real journalists are starting to call Rolling Stone on their shit.

    11 years ago at 2:42 pm
    1. Fratmiral Nelson

      How dare you question whether a fraternity on your campus adopted initiation tactics from the middle ages and required every pledge to forcibly rape a girl for hours in a pile of broken glass? That totally ruins the stereotype-confirming narrative I’m trying to discuss!!!!1!

      11 years ago at 2:55 pm
    2. sunnyand65

      If you know the type of guys in Phi Psi, do you think it’s plausible that they did it?

      11 years ago at 9:51 pm
    3. Sratire

      It’s a shame that some sensationalized story had to be what brought the administration’s messed up way of handling these cases. I’ve unfortunately had my own dealings with Eramo, and I would say that part of the article is spot on. I think it’s pretty unfortunate that the only way to get attention to the problem is to develop a story so horrific that it’s probably fake. Discredits the rest.

      11 years ago at 11:39 am
  4. Uncle_Ron

    As someone who grew up in VA, I have a lot of friends who went to UVA. After reading the rolling stone article I asked some of them if any of the allegations were true. The resounding answer was that they are glad the article came out because it touches on unspoken truths within the university. I hope that going forward UVA (and universities across the country) take a look at how they handle situations like this so that students can feel safe while also protecting the rights of the accused.

    11 years ago at 2:50 pm
    1. Frat Bull

      I am sorry, but that makes no sense. You asked people if they are true, and they circumvented that question by saying “they are glad the article came out because it touches on unspoken truths within the university”. It’s not acceptable to publish an article that might be incredible and/or false to try and “touch on some unspoken truths” or prove some point, that is extremely wrong. Everyone knows that rape is bad, and I am sorry but I think sometimes Universities do not “handle it” because those accusations are not true. What if this article is all made up/stretched truth, like that “Drunk girl in Public” video? Oh no big deal, since it touched on an unspoken truth, right? Or is it a big deal, because men in that fraternity and Greek life at UVA, are being subjected to being judged as if they all are rapists. I think the way it should be handled is, innocent until proven guilty.

      11 years ago at 4:02 pm
  5. Rdip357

    It’s sad that frats are blamed for things like this, but the truth is, rape is a big problem, and the bigger problem is that many of the offenders get away with it. Imagine if you were brutally raped and people accused you of slander and didn’t believe you? What really needs to be done first and foremost is stop the rapes and hold the offenders accountable. Fraternity names can be left out of it. But if anyone actually read the article in rolling stone, you would understand the severity, and realize that this really is a problem, regardless of the lack of reporting.

    11 years ago at 2:52 pm
    1. Fratchelor Pad

      Creating an account on TFM today just to get people to read and believe your article…come on Sabrina Erdely you’re better then that.

      11 years ago at 3:02 pm
    2. ChiefDancesWithWhiskey

      A woman definitely made this account simply to push a feminist agenda. Thanks sweetie for the tip, now I’ll take mustard on a my burger. Run along now.

      11 years ago at 3:26 pm
      1. ChiefDancesWithWhiskey

        Quite the little mouth we have. No mam, you’re the idiot. Because Rolling Stone just announced the article was a mistake and has apologized. Bet you feel pretty fucking dumb, went thru all that trouble to make an account and everything and you got what? Exposed for believing a bullshit story. Game. Set. Match.

        11 years ago at 5:32 pm
  6. duckdog

    I agree. “Armpit” and “Blanket” are bizarre nicknames, even by fraternity standards.

    11 years ago at 2:52 pm
  7. ZeteNJ

    American Liberalism is a fraud. Real liberals and I mean, libertarians, classical liberals “right wing,” liberals actually believe in liberty, one of which is the right to due process. These people just hate Greeks, they hate men, and that hate allows them to support the notion of guilty until proven innocent. They hate something they don’t understand, and you know what that makes them? Bigots.

    11 years ago at 2:59 pm
  8. mosthonorableactive

    I had my doubts when the whole thing began to sound like a Lifetime movie with all of the stereotypes and terrible judgment

    11 years ago at 3:25 pm
  9. Frat Bull

    Seeing this article actually renews my hope that, someday, the media will just report unbiased facts/sides to a story and not publish articles just to get a rise out of people. The comments I’ve read are right, people are making guilty assumptions from an article that sounded like the first half of it came from some sick erotica novel.
    If people, and who are we kidding they are “feminists”, want to say how bad rape is then fine; that’s your right (even though all sane Americans have and will be taught/think that). Throwing people under a bus or concocting false stories to try and get a point across is down right wrong and criminal. Anyone remember that video that was released before this, of a drunk girl getting “taken advantage of” to show how “it happens so commonly”? The feminists that watched it went nuts and took it as more proof of how bad men are.
    Turns out that “proof” was all made-up and the men were told before hand to act that way. So, now I am to believe an article where the victim, two years ago, fell through a glass table & got violated by a beer bottle but never went to the hospital, was able to see/recognize in total darkness someone in her anthropology class, and her “friends” refused to take their drugged, bleeding, potentially-could-have glass-in-her-back, violated friend to the hospital, because they were afraid that she’d be seen as having cried rape? I am no detective, but I think that the hospital’s report on her injuries and the results of a S.A.F.E. kit would have shown she wasn’t just “crying rape”. I think it’s really likely this was made up for the same stupid reasons as the “drunk girl” video.
    Excuse my rant gentlemen, but I am getting sick and tired of feminists that will believe anything they hear and go around tarnishing reputations and demanding some sort of punishment over something that is an allegation or not proven to be true. Although, at the rate of stupid feminism has been traveling in the past weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised if it burns itself out.

    11 years ago at 3:27 pm
    1. Fratty Couples PGA

      Don’t get me wrong, I hate feminists of all kinds as much as any of you, but there’s something called basic human decency and doing the right thing that we should all practice a little more. The Phi Psi house has carried a reputation of sexual assault for a while, and if a girl came forward it’s time to address the problem. Maybe it’s blown out of proportion, or even a total lie (doubt it), but if so the truth will come out or the allegations will fade into the past. If nobody can be convicted then nobody suffers any punishment regardless of what actually happened.

      11 years ago at 1:13 am
      1. Grandview

        Fratty couples you look like a try hard and cross your knees like a woman but most of all your ignorant comments are starting to wear me thin. This site has been taken over by geeds like you and to say that if they are acquitted that they suffered no loss is just redundant. You know how much lawyers cost? How many dudes might loose their girl or wife cause of some dumb broad ? Think before you open your mouth again cause reading your comments is embarrassing and you give way too many fucks

        11 years ago at 1:58 pm
      2. Frat Bull

        So it’s bitching because I pointed all of those discrepancies out, and actually made a point about being a decent human being, by not rushing to judgement/throwing others under the bus. You sound like a feminist right now, because you’re attempting to discredit other dissenting opinions by labeling it “bitching” and are now saying that “they have been carrying that reputation for a while”, which I assume is, “well people say it’s the rape frat…so it is!” My issue is not girls reporting rape, but the fact that it’s now two years after it allegedly happened, and that parts of the story make no sense, when intelligent thought is applied. How can you identify someone in pitch black darkness? Why would girl wait two years to report a rape after she fell through a glass table and spent three hours lying on broken glass? Don’t you think if it happened her friends would’ve used “basic human decency” and brought her to the hospital or dialed 911 after seeing/hearing that? Those things are just a couple of red flags that could show yellow-journalism.
        Get out of the comments section with your garbage comments, nobody wants to hear it because we all already know sexual assault/rape is a horrible crime that should be punished, the problem here is throwing people under the social bus and/or twisting facts/making up a story to prove some point. That’s not “basic human decency” or “doing the right thing”.

        11 years ago at 12:11 pm