Please hear this out before anyone rips this apart. But I’ve been talking with my dad about this while watching the news. I think it would be unfair to release the name of the man who killed him. Not because it wasn’t a damn great thing to do. I’ve been on fucking clud nine since I found out. However, I think that releasing his name will simply put the spotlight only on him. When in reality, it took many people to take out that fucker. They should all have the same honors. Anyone in uniform would have loved to pull the trigger. It would be unfair to praise one man for what many worked towards for so many years.
In a symbolic way, every man and woman to ever put on the uniform to defend this great country, and every American who has ever flown Old Glory with pride pulled that trigger
completely disagree. Unless you have been out in the hills of Afghanistan sweating and bleeding your ass off, you do not know what it is like. Spending 10$ to fly a flag is in no way similar (literally or symbolically) to truly sending rounds down range. And being a pogue ass service member isn’t the same either.
Come spend time in our shoes doing the real work and you would understand. Unless you have been there, you will criticize what I’m saying and feel hurt, but it is the truth.
He will get a medal. It will have a date on it and may list the actions that warranted the medal or it may not. Unless he chooses immediate retirement so he can be recognized, or unless a member of Dev (Development Group aka Seal Team Six aka Blue) writes a book in the years to come, there will be no national recognition. How many of the guys from CAG (Combat Applications Group aka Special Forces Operational Detatchment-Delta aka Green) do you remember getting recognized for rolling up Saddam? Zero.
To begin with, being that they don’t make entry into a room with less than two people, it is likely that he was shot by at least that many. And being the two out of two dozen to make entry into the correct room is kinda a luck of the draw. This certainly isn’t meant to discount the actions of the indivual operators by any means, but getting to be the ones to drop the hammer on him was largely outside of their control.
As for every service member deserving credit, I also have to disagree. Johnny Pogue on the flightline in Bagram or KAF did nothing to make this happen. He might have fueled a helocopter that ultimately flew on the raid, but that certainly doesn’t warrant any sort of recognition…though I wouldn’t begrudge him if he used such a story to get laid a few times…
Wow Brodyssius read wikipedia and is all of a sudden such a plethora of military knowledge! Boy that counts for a whole lot! I’ll give you credit, you did some research, and played some call of duty. Missed a few points along the lines, but relatively decent. When you want to come join the big boys though, we’re ready. Leave your soft, gentle life and become a man, and I’ll respect you. Till then, you are just another civilian who CLEARLY knows the military.
No, security dumb ass. His name will never be revealed. The vast majority of direct action/ anti terrorism missions conducted by tier 1 personnel will never make the headlines. Imagine how many rag heads would want him if they knew? He’d be there bin laden.
It’s not just a security issue. Ever heard of Paul Tibbets? That man is an American hero who was put in the public spotlight and eventually hated himself for what he did because there are always going to be people that say taking a life doesn’t solve anything and nobody should have to hear people belittle what they did in the service for their country for the rest of their lives.
Besides, he died in a firefight that many brave soldiers were a part of. Nobody should be singled out. They should all be honored.
Though the correct title for our Nation’s highest military award is the MEDAL OF HONOR, the organization that represents the men who wear it is the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR SOCIETY, for it was established and chartered by the U.S. Congress. The intents and purposes of the organization are clearly spelled out it its charter and can be found in our History of the Society pages.
Headquartered aboard the U.S.S. YORKTOWN at Patriot’s Point South Carolina, it is also home to the official MEDAL OF HONOR MUSEUM. The small but dedicated staff works with a limited budget to maintain the history and heritage of our Country’s greatest heroes while co-coordinating numerous other activities.
You do know that the medal of honor is given for going above and beyond the call of duty, right? These men, while obvious heroes, did not appear to do this. They had a mission and they accomplished it, as any of the elite forces in our military do. Unless something comes out describing heroics worthy of this medal, it would do the title of “medal of honor recipient,” a disservice to award it to anyone for simply assassinating a high profile target. That said, God bless our military men and women and God bless America!
I wasn’t denying the existence of the Medal of Honor, but pointing out everyday usage of the often incorrect title “Congressional Medal of Honor.” Yes, the award is given “in the name of Congress.” but is simply Medal of Honor.
Can we at least all agree that the recipients are part of the ultimate fraternity?
This man needs to be nationally honored. AMERICA
13 years ago at 11:26 pmPlease hear this out before anyone rips this apart. But I’ve been talking with my dad about this while watching the news. I think it would be unfair to release the name of the man who killed him. Not because it wasn’t a damn great thing to do. I’ve been on fucking clud nine since I found out. However, I think that releasing his name will simply put the spotlight only on him. When in reality, it took many people to take out that fucker. They should all have the same honors. Anyone in uniform would have loved to pull the trigger. It would be unfair to praise one man for what many worked towards for so many years.
13 years ago at 11:34 pm^Right on Reaganomics!
13 years ago at 11:43 pmIn a symbolic way, every man and woman to ever put on the uniform to defend this great country, and every American who has ever flown Old Glory with pride pulled that trigger
13 years ago at 11:46 pmDamn right Col. Reb.
13 years ago at 11:48 pmcompletely disagree. Unless you have been out in the hills of Afghanistan sweating and bleeding your ass off, you do not know what it is like. Spending 10$ to fly a flag is in no way similar (literally or symbolically) to truly sending rounds down range. And being a pogue ass service member isn’t the same either.
Come spend time in our shoes doing the real work and you would understand. Unless you have been there, you will criticize what I’m saying and feel hurt, but it is the truth.
13 years ago at 10:17 amHe will get a medal. It will have a date on it and may list the actions that warranted the medal or it may not. Unless he chooses immediate retirement so he can be recognized, or unless a member of Dev (Development Group aka Seal Team Six aka Blue) writes a book in the years to come, there will be no national recognition. How many of the guys from CAG (Combat Applications Group aka Special Forces Operational Detatchment-Delta aka Green) do you remember getting recognized for rolling up Saddam? Zero.
To begin with, being that they don’t make entry into a room with less than two people, it is likely that he was shot by at least that many. And being the two out of two dozen to make entry into the correct room is kinda a luck of the draw. This certainly isn’t meant to discount the actions of the indivual operators by any means, but getting to be the ones to drop the hammer on him was largely outside of their control.
As for every service member deserving credit, I also have to disagree. Johnny Pogue on the flightline in Bagram or KAF did nothing to make this happen. He might have fueled a helocopter that ultimately flew on the raid, but that certainly doesn’t warrant any sort of recognition…though I wouldn’t begrudge him if he used such a story to get laid a few times…
13 years ago at 12:28 pm^True statements.
13 years ago at 1:41 pmWow Brodyssius read wikipedia and is all of a sudden such a plethora of military knowledge! Boy that counts for a whole lot! I’ll give you credit, you did some research, and played some call of duty. Missed a few points along the lines, but relatively decent. When you want to come join the big boys though, we’re ready. Leave your soft, gentle life and become a man, and I’ll respect you. Till then, you are just another civilian who CLEARLY knows the military.
13 years ago at 10:28 pmNo, security dumb ass. His name will never be revealed. The vast majority of direct action/ anti terrorism missions conducted by tier 1 personnel will never make the headlines. Imagine how many rag heads would want him if they knew? He’d be there bin laden.
13 years ago at 11:38 pmI don’t think you grasped the sentiment behind the post.
13 years ago at 12:27 amIt’s not just a security issue. Ever heard of Paul Tibbets? That man is an American hero who was put in the public spotlight and eventually hated himself for what he did because there are always going to be people that say taking a life doesn’t solve anything and nobody should have to hear people belittle what they did in the service for their country for the rest of their lives.
Besides, he died in a firefight that many brave soldiers were a part of. Nobody should be singled out. They should all be honored.
13 years ago at 10:17 amI’m pretty sure the only thing he and the rest of the brave men on that mission will be joining is The Congressional Medal Of Honor Society.
13 years ago at 11:39 pmThere is no such thing as the “Congressional Medal of Honor”
13 years ago at 11:47 pmYes there fucking is.
13 years ago at 11:57 pmThough the correct title for our Nation’s highest military award is the MEDAL OF HONOR, the organization that represents the men who wear it is the CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR SOCIETY, for it was established and chartered by the U.S. Congress. The intents and purposes of the organization are clearly spelled out it its charter and can be found in our History of the Society pages.
Headquartered aboard the U.S.S. YORKTOWN at Patriot’s Point South Carolina, it is also home to the official MEDAL OF HONOR MUSEUM. The small but dedicated staff works with a limited budget to maintain the history and heritage of our Country’s greatest heroes while co-coordinating numerous other activities.
* SMD brobane
13 years ago at 11:58 pmThe ultimate initiation ^
13 years ago at 10:03 amYou do know that the medal of honor is given for going above and beyond the call of duty, right? These men, while obvious heroes, did not appear to do this. They had a mission and they accomplished it, as any of the elite forces in our military do. Unless something comes out describing heroics worthy of this medal, it would do the title of “medal of honor recipient,” a disservice to award it to anyone for simply assassinating a high profile target. That said, God bless our military men and women and God bless America!
13 years ago at 12:59 pmI wasn’t denying the existence of the Medal of Honor, but pointing out everyday usage of the often incorrect title “Congressional Medal of Honor.” Yes, the award is given “in the name of Congress.” but is simply Medal of Honor.
Can we at least all agree that the recipients are part of the ultimate fraternity?
13 years ago at 9:57 pmWe’ll never know the name or face of the badass who did the deed. So, just to be safe, buy drinks for every serviceman you see while out at bars.
13 years ago at 12:40 am^this
13 years ago at 3:02 amLiked it so I could be the 1776th “like.” TFM
13 years ago at 7:07 pmAnd I didn’t like it because I don’t want it to ever be anything else.
13 years ago at 10:32 pm