What’s wrong with being open about your faith and taking a stand for what our great country was founded on? He sounds like Reagan and the Bushes. Makes me want to vote for him even more.
^separation of church and state for one. Secondly, there’s more important things to worry about than gays in the military or prayer in school. We have to stop this madness in Washington and his religious crusade isn’t going to fix it. Ron Paul 2012.
“Separation of church and state” is a concept that was found in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to a pen pal. I challenge you to find it in the Constitution. The only reference to religion in the Constitution the is First Amendment which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Congress isn’t establishing a religion by allowing kids to pray in school. Immediately following that, the amendment reads, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The government does prohibit the free exercise of religion in many cases. I bet you didn’t learn that in public school.
There are many important issues, it’s good to talk about all of them.
Rick Perry is standing for conservative values and telling liberals to take a lap. Definitely TFTC.
The government intervenes when it can be harmful, such as the Snake Handlers. Other than that it’s pretty much fair game. For example, the “religion” practiced by Westboro Baptist Church is now considered legal, as I’m sure you know.
The Constitution says the government shall not respect the establishment of any religion; basically, according to the government, religion doesn’t really exist. Frankly, I agree (partially) with FratCzar. There are certainly more important things than a bullshit argument about religion. Honestly, religion isn’t going to fix the clusterfuck, so I honestly couldn’t care less about a candidate’s stance on religion. You can be a goddamn (peaceful, if there is a such a thing) Muslim for all I care, just fucking fix this shit. (Commence all jokes/jabs about Obama being a Muslim…or keep your ignorant, ill-informed views to yourself.)
The separation of Church and state was meant in the context of the time it was written. The Church at the time controlled the government. Why do you think people left Great Britain? They were being persecuted because of their religious beliefs by the Church which ran the government. “separation of Church and state” Means that the Church should have no say in what the government does. It does not mean that there can be no religion.
scbro, you brought a patriotic tear to my eye. Thanks for completely squelching the conversation and removing the thick atmosphere of ignorance that this site usually has about politics.
The reality is America is a secular nation with a deistic proclivity. America was founded by Deists with Christian European values. Do unto others and all that. Let he without sin cast the first stone. Love thy enemy. Secular Christians. People who thought Jesus was a visionary not a prophet, but respected the opinions of the common man and protected his right to his thoughts and speech.
Let’s be frank, religious conservatives are about as American as Shariah law. They want the same things they just disagree over the name of their prophet.
scbro & candc jerking each other off? what a surprise.
Right the government isn’t religious. That doesn’t mean Americans aren’t and that sure as shit doesn’t mean elected officials can’t be. That doesn’t mean the American people don’t believe in a value system informed by Christainity or laws that reflect that.
We don’t live in a democracy by a long shot. The “populous” House is restrained. Alhough the Senate is popularly elected. All I can say is what was ubiquitously feared, especially by the Founders, of democratic influence is plainly coming true. Pestering with property rights, undermining the rule of law, and inevitably redistribution of wealth
As for the Perry comment. He’s gone to church his whole life, was a scout, and served. There’s no question in my mind of his moral ethic, which any man knows is most important in decision making.
“The treaty was broken in 1801 by the Pasha of Tripoli over President Thomas Jefferson’s refusal to pay the Pasha’s demands for increased payments. In the course of negotiating with the Barbary nations, each of the Barbary rulers continuously demanded increased payments to maintain peace, even while occasionally capturing U.S. ships.”
-Wikipedia
America since it’s founding has been a based upon Christian values & our founders understood the importance of faith in God. Christianity has always provided our nation with moral backbone & its no surprise that more secular america is becoming, so the morality of the nation falls too. America was built on Christian principles by God Fearing men & we need to return to that system of thought.
^^I’d take ATM over UT any day. UT is full of a bunch of fucking liberals. Every university has male cheerleaders. At least Rick wasn’t considered a cheerleader.
Because if you were a yell leader or cheerleader doesn’t mean you won’t be a good president. Hell, George W. Bush was a cheerleader at Yale. Rick Perry 2012.
^^The Constitution grants FREEDOM of religion to all citizens, people tend to forget that Christianity is a religion too. I’ll say Merry Christmas every year, and the Constitution grants us the right to do that. Prayer in school is also expressing freedom of religion. It’s not like kids aren’t allowed to pray, teachers just can’t mandate prayer BECAUSE IT SAYS SO IN THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION.
Saying, “Fuck the Constitution” is probably the most un-patriotic and un-american things one could possibly say. It’s very sad where the so called conservative movement is going. Also I might add, the Republican party is becoming an absolute joke. It’s sad to see the masses buying into the rhetoric of big government puppets such as Newt Gingrich, or any of the other candidates for that matter(except Ron Paul and maybe Huntsman).
^ This. Rick Perry makes us Republicans look like uneducated rednecks. He may fit the stereotype of a Republican but no way in hell will I meet that criteria
Did you know nothing about Christmas has anything to do with Christ?
Christ wasn’t born December 25th, that is just a day that Romans celebrated Saturnalia. The Christmas Tree is a pagan tradition to Woden, and Yule is a scandanavian fertility god. So, yea, saying that you respect Merry Christmas is about the dumbest thing to stand up for, considering all you celebrate is based on a random date that was convenient for people to accept.
Dammit scbro, Christmas has to do with Christ. It is true that he wasn’t born that day, but it is still used as a token to celebrate his birth. The Christians at the time that were attempting to spread this belief chose December 25th because that was a festive time for some of the non-believers in which they were trying to convince, thus making it more appealing for them to believe in Christ.
^ Christians took an existing pagan holiday and adapted it so the center of focus was on Christ. That’s why. Almost everything else–decorated trees, mistletoes, gift-giving, yule logs, and feasts–come from pagan celebratory tradition.
What a surprise scbro and candc jerking each other off.
So what? So fucking what. I used to hate on mormons, a lot. Crazy religion right? But meeting them over time you begin to realize the religion produces some of the damn finest people you’ll meet. If I had a choice of filling the nation with Mormons or Christians as opposed to atheists I wouldn’t even even blink. The quality of character is incomparable.
Stop judging religion and definitely stop mocking/putting it down. Regardless of what they believe, they tend to be better people then the atheist you meet.
Clearly, none of you “fratstars” went to a private school where praying was actually allowed, so you are all wannabe fucks. Rick Perry is a moron and if anyone actually supports him after this, you need to waterboarded.
I mean, I guess it’s better than not being able to remember only 3 entire governmental departments that you want to get rid of. But Perry is definitely not made for politics outside of Texas.
^^^^ If he was a Christaian, wouldn’t you think he would try and fight for having prayer in school, rather than trying to stop it? Last time I remember, Christians stand up for what they believe in, and Obama is doing the complete opposite. Obama is not a Christian.
““Separation of church and state” is a concept that was found in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to a pen pal. I challenge you to find it in the Constitution. The only reference to religion in the Constitution the is First Amendment which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Congress isn’t establishing a religion by allowing kids to pray in school. Immediately following that, the amendment reads, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.””
What I gathered from that is that “separation of church and state” is not in the Constitution, and that prohibiting the free exercise of religion when it doesn’t infringe upon the rights of others is, in fact, unconstitutional.
Right? It’s nice to hear someone stand up for what they believe in knowing it would go viral and in spite of the ever present pc liberal criticism of anything that hurts someone’s feelings.
I dare say that’s what people used to call moral leadership?
Second
14 years ago at 3:12 pmHuntsman is the best candidate. No doubt in my mind, especially after seeing this: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000060779
14 years ago at 3:52 pm^this
14 years ago at 4:28 pmHe’s a mormon
14 years ago at 4:49 pmFINALLY. Someone else who sees that Huntsman is the only acceptable choice. And, he was a Sigma Chi. IN HOC.
14 years ago at 4:51 pmIn Hocs all around, Huntsman 2012.
14 years ago at 4:56 pmcroakiesandcashmere, he is still a Sigma Chi.
14 years ago at 5:15 pmWhat’s wrong with being open about your faith and taking a stand for what our great country was founded on? He sounds like Reagan and the Bushes. Makes me want to vote for him even more.
14 years ago at 6:41 pm^separation of church and state for one. Secondly, there’s more important things to worry about than gays in the military or prayer in school. We have to stop this madness in Washington and his religious crusade isn’t going to fix it. Ron Paul 2012.
14 years ago at 7:42 pm“Separation of church and state” is a concept that was found in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to a pen pal. I challenge you to find it in the Constitution. The only reference to religion in the Constitution the is First Amendment which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Congress isn’t establishing a religion by allowing kids to pray in school. Immediately following that, the amendment reads, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The government does prohibit the free exercise of religion in many cases. I bet you didn’t learn that in public school.
There are many important issues, it’s good to talk about all of them.
Rick Perry is standing for conservative values and telling liberals to take a lap. Definitely TFTC.
14 years ago at 9:06 pmThe government intervenes when it can be harmful, such as the Snake Handlers. Other than that it’s pretty much fair game. For example, the “religion” practiced by Westboro Baptist Church is now considered legal, as I’m sure you know.
14 years ago at 9:24 pmThe Constitution says the government shall not respect the establishment of any religion; basically, according to the government, religion doesn’t really exist. Frankly, I agree (partially) with FratCzar. There are certainly more important things than a bullshit argument about religion. Honestly, religion isn’t going to fix the clusterfuck, so I honestly couldn’t care less about a candidate’s stance on religion. You can be a goddamn (peaceful, if there is a such a thing) Muslim for all I care, just fucking fix this shit. (Commence all jokes/jabs about Obama being a Muslim…or keep your ignorant, ill-informed views to yourself.)
14 years ago at 10:35 pmThe separation of Church and state was meant in the context of the time it was written. The Church at the time controlled the government. Why do you think people left Great Britain? They were being persecuted because of their religious beliefs by the Church which ran the government. “separation of Church and state” Means that the Church should have no say in what the government does. It does not mean that there can be no religion.
14 years ago at 3:42 amAlright guys it is time you learned about the Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified in 1797 and signed by then President John Adams.
In the treaty it states “The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli#Translation_and_Article_11
This is not a christian nation, it is a democratic one, of course, I wouldn’t expect perry to know this since he failed American History.
14 years ago at 8:42 amscbro, you brought a patriotic tear to my eye. Thanks for completely squelching the conversation and removing the thick atmosphere of ignorance that this site usually has about politics.
Color me impressed.
14 years ago at 10:07 amWell done scbro, frat on brother
14 years ago at 7:05 pmThe reality is America is a secular nation with a deistic proclivity. America was founded by Deists with Christian European values. Do unto others and all that. Let he without sin cast the first stone. Love thy enemy. Secular Christians. People who thought Jesus was a visionary not a prophet, but respected the opinions of the common man and protected his right to his thoughts and speech.
Let’s be frank, religious conservatives are about as American as Shariah law. They want the same things they just disagree over the name of their prophet.
14 years ago at 12:39 pmscbro & candc jerking each other off? what a surprise.
Right the government isn’t religious. That doesn’t mean Americans aren’t and that sure as shit doesn’t mean elected officials can’t be. That doesn’t mean the American people don’t believe in a value system informed by Christainity or laws that reflect that.
14 years ago at 3:44 amWe don’t live in a democracy by a long shot. The “populous” House is restrained. Alhough the Senate is popularly elected. All I can say is what was ubiquitously feared, especially by the Founders, of democratic influence is plainly coming true. Pestering with property rights, undermining the rule of law, and inevitably redistribution of wealth
As for the Perry comment. He’s gone to church his whole life, was a scout, and served. There’s no question in my mind of his moral ethic, which any man knows is most important in decision making.
“The treaty was broken in 1801 by the Pasha of Tripoli over President Thomas Jefferson’s refusal to pay the Pasha’s demands for increased payments. In the course of negotiating with the Barbary nations, each of the Barbary rulers continuously demanded increased payments to maintain peace, even while occasionally capturing U.S. ships.”
14 years ago at 2:21 pm-Wikipedia
America since it’s founding has been a based upon Christian values & our founders understood the importance of faith in God. Christianity has always provided our nation with moral backbone & its no surprise that more secular america is becoming, so the morality of the nation falls too. America was built on Christian principles by God Fearing men & we need to return to that system of thought.
13 years ago at 10:45 pmI bet Rick Perry LOVES the dick.
14 years ago at 3:19 pmShut your fucking face.
14 years ago at 3:27 pmI’ll murder your fucking family. I bet you love the dick.
14 years ago at 4:13 pmFrathorns, Mr. Perry was a fucking YELL LEADER. Why are you standing up for an Aggy?
14 years ago at 4:33 pmRick Perry does look the part of “Brokeback Mountain” here
14 years ago at 4:41 pm^^I’d take ATM over UT any day. UT is full of a bunch of fucking liberals. Every university has male cheerleaders. At least Rick wasn’t considered a cheerleader.
14 years ago at 9:38 pmYeah, but not every university has ONLY male cheerleaders. Take a fucking lap fratostrophic.
14 years ago at 10:33 pm^This. Also, http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=63307
14 years ago at 10:35 pmBecause if you were a yell leader or cheerleader doesn’t mean you won’t be a good president. Hell, George W. Bush was a cheerleader at Yale. Rick Perry 2012.
14 years ago at 8:37 amI can confirm that Rick Perry loves the dick:
http://i.imgur.com/CrLrG.jpg
14 years ago at 10:10 amI agree with him. Nothing “oops” about this.
14 years ago at 3:20 pmsecond this
14 years ago at 3:28 pmI’ll call it CHRISTmas and all the other hippy, uneducated, lazy, and good-for-nothings can call it Holiday party.
I don’t care what they want to call things, but once they tell me what I should do is when they need to jump off a cliff.
14 years ago at 4:07 pmYea. Fuck the Constitution.
14 years ago at 5:19 pmThis^
14 years ago at 5:24 pm^^The Constitution grants FREEDOM of religion to all citizens, people tend to forget that Christianity is a religion too. I’ll say Merry Christmas every year, and the Constitution grants us the right to do that. Prayer in school is also expressing freedom of religion. It’s not like kids aren’t allowed to pray, teachers just can’t mandate prayer BECAUSE IT SAYS SO IN THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION.
14 years ago at 6:26 pm^ Well that in addition to the supreme court’s ruling in Engel v. Vitali and even in Lee v. Weisman.
14 years ago at 8:58 pmSaying, “Fuck the Constitution” is probably the most un-patriotic and un-american things one could possibly say. It’s very sad where the so called conservative movement is going. Also I might add, the Republican party is becoming an absolute joke. It’s sad to see the masses buying into the rhetoric of big government puppets such as Newt Gingrich, or any of the other candidates for that matter(except Ron Paul and maybe Huntsman).
14 years ago at 11:08 pm^ This. Rick Perry makes us Republicans look like uneducated rednecks. He may fit the stereotype of a Republican but no way in hell will I meet that criteria
14 years ago at 11:29 pmDid you know nothing about Christmas has anything to do with Christ?
Christ wasn’t born December 25th, that is just a day that Romans celebrated Saturnalia. The Christmas Tree is a pagan tradition to Woden, and Yule is a scandanavian fertility god. So, yea, saying that you respect Merry Christmas is about the dumbest thing to stand up for, considering all you celebrate is based on a random date that was convenient for people to accept.
14 years ago at 8:45 amDammit scbro, Christmas has to do with Christ. It is true that he wasn’t born that day, but it is still used as a token to celebrate his birth. The Christians at the time that were attempting to spread this belief chose December 25th because that was a festive time for some of the non-believers in which they were trying to convince, thus making it more appealing for them to believe in Christ.
14 years ago at 9:46 amThat’s weird. The last time I checked, Christ was in the word Christmas. I guess it’s just completely coincidental.
14 years ago at 10:18 am^ Christians took an existing pagan holiday and adapted it so the center of focus was on Christ. That’s why. Almost everything else–decorated trees, mistletoes, gift-giving, yule logs, and feasts–come from pagan celebratory tradition.
14 years ago at 11:31 amMerry Christmas ya filthy animal, and a Happy New Year.
14 years ago at 7:55 pmWhat a surprise scbro and candc jerking each other off.
So what? So fucking what. I used to hate on mormons, a lot. Crazy religion right? But meeting them over time you begin to realize the religion produces some of the damn finest people you’ll meet. If I had a choice of filling the nation with Mormons or Christians as opposed to atheists I wouldn’t even even blink. The quality of character is incomparable.
14 years ago at 3:59 amStop judging religion and definitely stop mocking/putting it down. Regardless of what they believe, they tend to be better people then the atheist you meet.
This just made me want to vote for him even more. Motion acclimate?
14 years ago at 3:24 pmSecond
14 years ago at 7:09 pmWhat in God’s great name is wrong with you two?
14 years ago at 8:20 pmMotion defeated.
14 years ago at 8:25 pmTFM. He’s got my vote.
14 years ago at 4:15 amGot mine as well.
14 years ago at 9:30 am^ Not trying to rile you two up, but why?
14 years ago at 11:31 amEven though Perry doesn’t stand a chance, he makes a damn good point. Prayer in school is essential.
14 years ago at 2:51 pmClearly, none of you “fratstars” went to a private school where praying was actually allowed, so you are all wannabe fucks. Rick Perry is a moron and if anyone actually supports him after this, you need to waterboarded.
14 years ago at 8:12 pm^you might want to be careful when insulting. you might break a nail on those privileged hands of yours.
14 years ago at 8:31 pmThose things aren’t even related, is he even capable of not making himself look fucking retarded?
14 years ago at 3:25 pmThis.
14 years ago at 3:42 pmI think he was trying to say that Obama is a gay atheist.
14 years ago at 4:01 pmNo, no I don’t think he can.
14 years ago at 4:10 pmObama’s not an athiest, he’s an illegal alien who’s a god damned muslim commie
14 years ago at 9:01 pmNo, no he’s not. We’ve all been over this multiple times, he’s a citizen of the US and a Christian, not a muslim.
14 years ago at 10:23 pmI mean, I guess it’s better than not being able to remember only 3 entire governmental departments that you want to get rid of. But Perry is definitely not made for politics outside of Texas.
14 years ago at 10:34 pmSo a commie, a terrorist, a muslim and an alien walk into a bar. The bartender says, “What will it be Mr. President?”
14 years ago at 11:23 pm“gaytheist”
14 years ago at 11:47 pm^^^^ If he was a Christaian, wouldn’t you think he would try and fight for having prayer in school, rather than trying to stop it? Last time I remember, Christians stand up for what they believe in, and Obama is doing the complete opposite. Obama is not a Christian.
14 years ago at 8:42 amOr he believes in Separation of Church and State, which is in the constitution.
See, his duty to the Country comes before his duty to God.
14 years ago at 8:47 amTo quote FraTexas from earlier in the thread…
““Separation of church and state” is a concept that was found in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to a pen pal. I challenge you to find it in the Constitution. The only reference to religion in the Constitution the is First Amendment which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Congress isn’t establishing a religion by allowing kids to pray in school. Immediately following that, the amendment reads, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.””
What I gathered from that is that “separation of church and state” is not in the Constitution, and that prohibiting the free exercise of religion when it doesn’t infringe upon the rights of others is, in fact, unconstitutional.
14 years ago at 12:45 pm@original comment: I get what your saying but he’s obviously speaking to the general sentiment of the country and direction of policy. . .
14 years ago at 4:03 amscbro, that’s not why he swore on a Bible…
14 years ago at 2:27 pmfuck perry fuck gays fuck the military fuck the president
14 years ago at 3:26 pmGo to hell you liberal fuck.
14 years ago at 3:28 pm^^You son of a bitch. You make me want to rip out your organs and put them on a metal steak and let wild animals feast on your dead corpse
14 years ago at 3:40 pm^ You mad bro? That second sentence is poorly constructed.
14 years ago at 3:47 pmTroll, how did you get on this site?
14 years ago at 10:22 pmfuck you.
14 years ago at 10:35 pmAmen
14 years ago at 3:26 pmRight? It’s nice to hear someone stand up for what they believe in knowing it would go viral and in spite of the ever present pc liberal criticism of anything that hurts someone’s feelings.
I dare say that’s what people used to call moral leadership?
14 years ago at 4:12 amhe’s fucked
14 years ago at 3:29 pmTFTC
14 years ago at 3:31 pmThe floors still need cleaning, pledge.
14 years ago at 4:34 pmTake a lap
14 years ago at 4:35 pmHe is so fucked.
14 years ago at 3:32 pm^ this
14 years ago at 10:34 pm