If a gay wants to serve in our great military then he or she should be allowed to. If a child wants to pray in school then he or she should be allowed to. What the fuck happened to personal liberty? Why is either of those matters any concern to anyone else?
^agreed brostock. That’s not even what Perry was talking about. Those were just “key words” some campaign manager told him to say because it tested well with a conservative demographic.
“Rules that keep kids from being able to pray in school”, it’s called separation of church and state, if it’s so important to you that you get free time to have a conversation in your head with your imaginary friend, then by all means, go to a catholic school. It’s unconstitutional to have kids pray in public school as that is time sanctioned by an institution funded by the state to use for religious, and most likely christian, purpose. Prayer in public schools violates the United States Constitution.
“…if it’s so important to you that you get free time to have a conversation in your head with your imaginary friend, then by all means, go to a catholic school.” Go fuck yourself you atheist piece of crap.
TheCommodore: It’s actually not against the Constitution for kids to pray privately in school, at school, on school grounds. That is their right to express their religion in any way they see fit which is the second part of the religion clause in the first amendment (Congress shall make no law…prohibiting the free expression thereof.)
Now what goes in the … up there is “respecting an establishment of religion.” So, what is unconstitutional is for any state-sponsored institution (ie a school, government building) to endorse a particular religion, sponsor any singular religious activities, because that violates the first part of the religion clause of the first amendment. That’s why you’ll see a lot of multi-religious displays at schools and government buildings with christmas trees, menoras, nativities, etc. The interpretation of the clause by a lot of people now allows for that.
And that’s today’s lesson in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. Thank you.
You don’t have to like Perry, you don’t have to like the military’s policy towards homosexuals, you don’t have to agree with the first amendment’s claims on separation of church and state… but all of you with these leftist opinions what the fuck are you doing commenting on this? Do you know what website you’re on? Understand the demographic of this site’s users and don’t be so fucking ignorant and stubborn. Nothing wrong with being a goddamn liberal, but find a site where people give a fuck about your stance, geed.
It takes so much courage to take a stand for a majority held religion. God bless his politically pandering brave soul. All these Christians are preaching hate and picking and choosing which tenets of the bible to follow. It’s hypocrisy at its worst.
Homosexuality? Bad.
Drunkeness, debauchery, and lewd behavior? Acceptable.
Premarital sex? Encouraged.
Illicit drug use? ok.
Flaunting wealth? Promoted.
Demeaning the poor? Advocated.
If y’all were true christians, y’all wouldn’t be living the lifestyle promoted by this website. You would be out promoting the word of Christ and setting a example for others to live by. In reality, your hypocritical lifestyles provide nothing but fodder for the nonbelievers.
Irrfrational, you’re a dumbass. I said being gay is NF. That means not frat if you didn’t realize. I challenge you to find anyone that thinks gay sex is frat in any way. It isn’t. I said it isn’t. I don’t hate gay people. That doesn’t mean I support what they do. Yes it doesn’t affect me, but being gay is still NF. Learn how to fucking read. As a side note, you know what else doesn’t affect either of us? People masturbating to child pornography. It doesn’t do any harm to anyone if the pictures are photoshopped or computer animated, but it’s still disgusting.
Being gay and child porn are on the same level, huh? I wasn’t aware being gay was a felony. Go fuck yourself you ignorant piece of shit. You didn’t say being gay was NF, you said supporting people who are gay is NF. I support the men and women who serve for my freedom. Fuck you.
Who the fuck are you to decide if child porn and being gay are on the same level of your self defined “morality”? Both involve things that don’t affect either of us. And masturbating to child pornography that is photoshopped/computer animated is not a felony. It’s just disgusting. And yes, I don’t support gay people. That doesn’t mean i don’t support out troops you fucking hipster. I don’t support everything our troops do in their personal lives and neither do you. Some of them may do extremely immoral things in their personal time, but just because I don’t support those things doesn’t mean I don’t support the military fighting for our freedom. In a year and a half I’ll be out there with them, while you sit on your liberal ass watching TV and taking it up the butt.
If you honestly believe producing/watching/supporting child porn is equivalent (in terms of morals) to being gay, I think this should end right here. If not, thank you for reiterating my point. What they do in their personal lives is none of my damn business, therefore I have no reason to be an ignorant, uneducated asshole and judge every homosexual based on things they will never do when I’m around. What they do in their free time (as long as it is legal) gives me no right to think less of them. Again, go fuck yourself.
For the love of?? Who the hell are you people?
Does the university really make even fratstars Liberal? Or has TFM really become troll infested to this extent?
First thing first. The military has a single mission, battle. It is not a social organization. Sexual orientation is irrelevant, be it one way or another. Enforcing anything that has anything to do with sexuality is a making a mockery of our armed forces and demeaning the institution. It is definitely not comparable to any other job.
What morality is informing people? I mean if you believe in gay rights that’s one thing but ya’ll are awfully passionate. Is it hitting close to home? Or are you surprised lets say a Christian finds homosecuality disagreeable? It’s not like it’s in the Bible or anything..
In our society we are called to tolerate other ways of life, not agree with them. So, I can go right ahead and say in my view homosexuality is the devil fucking America right in the ass if I want. And you all can cry. And I think I just said it.
*cue crying
I also think Christians should get an education. Homosecuality? Are you serious? It even puts a fucking red line under it when it’s spelled wrong, or it should at least auto correct it on a phone. On the other hand, I do not feel 100% percent comfortable around men who have “sec” with other men, but I have no right to judge them as a person, as any true Christian would say. I choose to live my life not being ignorant, stuck up, or an asshole every waking moment. Maybe you should consider that sometime, because I can tell you are not superior to anyone judging by your response.
I challenge you to kindly to look at the post above mine, and see where he used “homosecuality.” Why do new people keep intervening with moronic comments?
Irrfrational you’re missing the point. You’re saying what someone does on their own time is “none of your damn business.” So according to your logic, what is wrong with the pictures someone masturbates to behind closed doors? It doesn’t affect you in any fucking way. I never said it was equal to gay sex, I said it doesn’t affect you just as gay sex doesn’t. Learn to fucking read. I don’t support either gay sex or masturbating to sick forms of pornography. And as a side note since you seem uneducated, did you know under the same set of experiments that “proved” a gay gene exists also “proved” a homophobic gene exists? If it is not their choice to be gay, it also isn’t my choice to be homophobic (I’m not homophobic, I get along with many gay people just fine. But the experiment still exists). You need to do some research before you bitch out about all these things. And again, I don’t judge gay people. I love them as I love everyone. That doesn’t mean I support what they do, just like I don’t support you trolling this thread or some poor guy stealing a car. And please stop telling me to go fuck myself, it’s extremely immature.
In my post I clearly stated that It’s none of my business (as long as it is legal.) And I cannot even believe you could believe that research for half a second. It is simply an excuse for backwoods rednecks to hate without reason. Think for yourself every once in a while, and try not believe every piece of information thrown at you. No such gene exists, sir. Lastly, your original post reads “Supporting people who stick their dicks in other guy’s assholes. NF.” Then, you try and change it to Supporting gay sex is NF. They are two different things. I, personally, find gay sex to be absolutely filthy, but I will never judge a man on his character because of it, as you said you would in your original comment. Please, grow up.
Oh my this is getting annoying. Anyway, you did say as long as it’s legal. Again, it is perfectly legal if the pictures are not of actual naked children. If they were computer animated, then you’re simply yerking it to a fake picture that looks like a naked kid. It’s nasty. You seem to think it’s illegal either way, and it isn’t. My point is doing something legal in the privacy of your bedroom can be disgusting and allow me to comfortably say I don’t support it. And you say can’t believe that gene research? You’re a moron for telling me not to believe every piece of research thrown at me, because I’m well aware not all is true. If you would actually do some research you would see there are no clear tests that prove a “gay gene” exists. Believe me, I’ve researched the subject extensively. I’d be willing to bet much more than you. I was merely saying that according to one silly test claiming there was a gay gene, the same silly test showed other stupid results that don’t make any sense- therefore proving the test to be hokey and the findings of a gay gene hokey as well. I don’t believe a homophobic gene exists, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t as you so confidently say. The truth is nobody really knows, so claiming to know shows how foolish you are. As far as my original post goes, I think you misinterpreted it. It’s purpose was to say the act of gay sex is NF. If I meant supporting everything a gay person does is NF, such as serving in the military, I would also theoretically be saying supporting a gay person finding a cure for cancer is NF. I don’t believe this, I think it would be awesome if a gay person found a cure for cancer. That still doesn’t mean I support the gay doctor doing it up the butt. I support a gay person’s loyalty to our country, but I don’t support their gay sex.
You don’t have to be in the pew every Sunday to know something is wrong with this country. You don’t have to be in school a majority of class days to be president of the United States of America. I’m ThinkThereforeFrat, and I uh prove dis mehsij.
^^By pandering to the lowest common denominator and peddling Christianity? He’s using Christianity as a means of getting enough primary votes to revive his burning campaign because he sure is hell has nothing to offer in terms of real qualifications. When it comes to politics, if you have to cite “TFTC” as a means of support. You’re TDTV. TOO DUMB TO VOTE
Rick Perry is not TFTC. He is saying shit like this to try and spark some impossible campaign revival, not because he is so passionate about them. His advisers tell him exactly what to say at this point after those awful stumbles.
This country has no religious heritage, and the christians are the ones who are waging war on other religions. Look at every PUBLIC office in this country… The white house, Times Square, Central Park, the Capitol Building etc. The White House looks like, to quote Jon Stewart, “it got hit with a 500-pound tinsel bomb.”
I’m sick of the overwhelming majority of this country always playing the victim card when it is them that are victimizing people of other walks of life.
No one never said we’re being victimized. We’re not a bunch of liberal pussies. However, the political-media-educational establishment is doing its best to systematically remove and stigmatize references to the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which this country this country is based.
I have yet to hear what these Judeo-Christian values are that we need for this country to operate that can’t be done by secular means. Face it – religion is retarded. Fear-based adherence to archaic, arbitrary law is cowardice in every way.
^^Thank you. People can act all day like this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. It’s like they’ve never even read the constitution. The FIRST par of the FIRST amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
If Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, how in the world could the rest of the constitution be based off of Christianity?
And by the way I’m not a “gdi liberal fuck”. I’m very much a man of fraternity and vote republican every year. I’m just slightly more socially liberal.
The only people to ever create a Constitution with such limited government and classically liberal (remember, classical liberal =/= modern day liberal) ideals were the Christians who founded this country. Did the Arabs (stuck in the middle ages) or Chinese (stuck in 1917 Russia) or any other culture even come close to this style of government on their own without first seeing how the Americans did it? No. The development of this form of government happened in an exclusively Christian setting. There may not be any direct allusions to Christianity, but that’s because we have freedom of religion, and that idea itself came from the Judeo-Christian ethic (although other cultures have thankfully embraced/developed it as well).
I strongly disagree with the claim that “religion is retarded”, but I think our country’s forefathers probably knew what they were doing when they wrote the first amendment. Let’s stop flipping shit just because the president leaves out God in his Thanksgiving day address or because a couple of news stations or corporations decide to say “happy holidays” or “season’s greetings” rather than “merry Christmas”. I’m afraid of a nation that mandates religion (think Sharia law), NOT one in which people are free to choose which God (if any) to believe in.
Yea cool fucking beans, both those cultural periods happened after the christian church cause the dark ages from the 5th to the 15th century. Get your head out of your ass.
^^Do you realize that Ancient China and Mesopotamia were hundreds, if not thousands of years more advanced than Europe at the same time? Modern civilization was born in pre-Christian history so to say the two go hand-in-hand is absurd.
Were you guys fucking legacies? Because I don’t understand what fraternity would bid fucking morons like you, besides those in the south where everyone is inbred and accepts anything they hear about god “because the bible says so”. How about I write a book that says “Fact: Homosexuality is not a choice” and when you ask for proof, it’s because my fucking book said so.
The Dark Ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire due to the Huns pushing the Barbarian Kingdoms into Roman lands, not by the Church. In fact, the eastern half of the Roman Empire that remained in Christian and Roman hands flourished quite nicely, far beyond the technologies of any civilization before them. Take a late antiquity history class and you’ll understand.
So um, this has gotten a little off-topic hasn’t it? In the poignant words of Rick Perry, “oops.”
Oh yea dude, they flourished by no means were multiple scientific breakthroughs denounced or covered up by the church. Remember that crazy guy Nicholas Copernicus? The astronomer that made a fully laid out and valid computation to prove that the universe is infact heliocentric? Remember how the church denounced this as nothing more than an attack on scripture? Then there was that other guy, super famous, gee what was his name…Oh yea, Galileo, you may know him as the guy that invented the telescope. He supported the Copernican Theory and after finding further evidence to once again prove that the world is not at the center of the universe, was ordered to denounce his works. Yea, the church really pushed for science didn’t it. Are you high or are you actually 2/3rds to a fucking retard?
I have never seen so many people so poorly informed about European/early U.S. history in one fucking thread. Also, if you don’t believe in God go fuck yourself. TheCommodore I hope you know that your fraternity, I sure as hell hope you didnt get a bid being the liberal, atheist fucktard you are, is most likely based on Christian principles. The United states is definitely founded with Christian ideals in mind. Yes, the constitution does work to remove religion from politics and be as broad a framework as possible to adjust with the country but most likely had fundamentals of faith in mind. Religion has unarguably had an immense affect on art and social factors as well.
Hey dickhole, how about you scroll back up and check for anywhere that I said that religion stood in the way of advancing art or social aspects. Then when you realize I never said that, take a fucking lap. I will give it to you, religion gave birth to Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel, Donatello’s Statue of David, the brilliant works of Leonardo da Vinci such as The Last Supper and the Peruvian Man. I never once said that religion stood in the way of culture, I said it stood in the way of science. And how am I misinformed, because I blame the church for starting the dark ages? Guess what, they fucking did. When the Roman empire began there was no Christianity. When Tiberius took over Rome as it’s second emperor, Jesus had already been executed and thus the ideals of the Christian religion/s began to spread, why did it have to wait until then? Because a religion isn’t a religion until the leader/figurehead dies. By the time Constantine took over around 400 AD, he was all kinds of tied up with the church, and from the rule of Constantine on, the church gained more and more power and the emperors lost theirs. It reached the point that Emperor Theodosius would be denied certain powers unless he gave into penance as ordered by Bishop Ambrose. At this point, the empire is broken and within it’s area of rule, people began to take up the Christian faith which goes against most of the empire’s inner workings, and boom, Christianity launched Europe into what are known as the Dark Ages. A thousand year period in which the church was the official authority and had the power to cover up anything that might go against scripture. Call me a fucktard one more time so I can laugh at your lack of an education. Go fuck your sister you imbecile.
I said approximately 400 ad, I meant to type the 4th century. You’re going to try to discredit everything I said on one typo? If that’s your only rebuttal/only flaw you could point out then why don’t you just call it quits now.
TheCommodore hits the nail on the head. Anyone who argues that the Church has done anything but impede the progress of science has the reasoning ability of an eight year old. Also, if I hear one more person claim that our country is based on Christianity I’ll flip, as students of the enlightenment our founding fathers realized that democracy was best served through reason and intellectual discussion. People and governments following religion rarely exhibit either of those, hence the need for a separation of church and state. Read some of Jefferson’s personal correspondence with other founders on religion before you claim that we are based on Christianity.
This country is all about religious heritage. Pick up a history book. You are free practice whatever religion you want but at the end of the day this country was based on puritan ideals.
This country may have been founded in a Judeo-Christian setting, but the actual founding was done by the original American Fratstars, our Founding Fathers. These men were enlightened scholars and rich SOB’s that formed our government mostly along the principles and values of Freemasonry. The United States has no grand lodge of Freemasons because when it did exist (with George Washington at it’s head) there was a fear it would become more powerful then the fledgling government. Freemasonry requires a belief in the existence of god, but prohibits discussions of religion during official business. This is based on the principle that all men, having an affirmed belief in the almighty god and immortal soul, are created equal. The founding fathers were not all christians, many of them, including Jefferson were deists. Most of them were freemasons, the original fraternity, and those principles are embodied in the constitution.
Hey fucktard, no shit you didn’t say anything about religion affecting art or social aspects I was simply giving an example of a benefit religion has played through history. That being said I see you understand some of those aspects which should make you also understand that you shouldn’t denounce religion as a whole when there are some benefits. Furthermore, I never made any specific remarks about you being wrong about the church being a hindrance to scientific advancement or YOU being misinformed. Please read through a couple of other people’s responses above mine and you will understand what that was directed towards. Thanks for the fucking Wikipedia article though. I don’t think you responded fast enough last time please try to be a little quicker… Just in case you missed it you’re an atheist fucktard.
IHSV, you’re a fucking idiot. How about making a logical statement instead of just spouting “FUCK YOU LIBERAL ATHEIST” like the closed-minded retard that you are.
Is this REALLY the state of America? and TFM? I really cannot believe I’m being forced to defend the positive nature of the church.
Here it goes. I’ll make a simple argument for religion being the positive driving force in society.
1st of all religion is the original basis for right and wrong . .morality. . good justice etc. If that’s a bad thing color me. …it’s not a bad thing.
In America what makes a good citizen? Simply, a productive engaged individual. What is the the best way to ensure an individual will develop as such? Ans: A stable family life, early cultivation of concepts of right & wrong aka morality, etc. What is the best way to achieve this? Religion
A problem with a liberal society is when you tolerate peoples decisions to say walk away from marraige you fuck up the kids a little, if not psychologically, definitely morally. When things get tough if there’s no consequence in society to walking away that’s an incentive to walk away. In America when parents tend to be busy working and doing other shit it’s family values that will encourage them to spend time with their kids and instruct them morally rather than letting them figure it out on their own in school. Sadly the kids of lower income parents who need moral instruction worst are stuck in the state’s enforced secular substandard schools. Further religion promotes community which is also rather desirable.
unstable upbringing tends to produce a lesser individuals. That is why family values are a tenant of the Republican Party even among the non evangelical Republicans. They have a coherent ideology.
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You can really compare religion to being in a fraternity in that from the outside it may make no sense and even appear unattractive. If you don’t get it you don’t get it…geeds
And Ron Paul is the only one who truly believes in what he is saying. When you watch the debates, you can tell everyone else is just rattling off shit they have memorized (unless, of course, you’re Rick Perry, and you can even remember what you’re “supposed” to be supporting). Ron Paul speaks what he believes, and that is what this country needs.
Frat Zuckerberg why is being an atheist a bad thing? You’re atheist just as much as I am with respect to Allah or Zeus or Baal, we just go one god further.
Pharoah, I believe Zuckerberg was referencing the fact that there is no scientific proof that God exists, either. As for the “homosexuality is a choice” argument, how can that possibly be true? Do you choose which girls you’re attracted to? Did you choose that you’re attracted to girls? Since the answer to both those questions is “no, it just happens”, then why would you think the process is any different for homosexuals?
Religious or not, homosexuality is not natural. Scientifically it doesn’t make sense because it hinders reproductive ability and thus the survival of a species. People are not born homo
^If you’re going to make the argument of “natural”, realize I could also say that boys and girls chose to be sterile because being sterile would hinder reproduction.
Just because something hinders reproduction doesn’t mean it is not “natural” by your own definition.
As Dukie said (albeit on the wrong thread) contraceptives are unnatural and they limit reproduction. Therefore they’re bad and wrong and should be made illegal? Good luck pulling and praying buddy.
^Thank you brostock for furthering my point. Contraceptives are unnatural and inhibit reproduction, and we choose to use them. I never said they were bad and should be made illegal, I just said people are not born homosexual. And I don’t think outlawing homosexuality is feasible, people are debating whether or not they should be able to get married. You may be used to putting dicks in your mouth but don’t put words in mine, buddy.
Pharaoh i don’t even respect your sacrilegious shitty arguments. You can’t fucking choose to be sterile. Being sterile is a deformity, not being able to be pregnant (a guy) is natural. Also, in many religions birth controls are in fact bad so go fuck yourself again i literally would not shit in your mouth to keep you alive.
^^^Oh boo hoo my comments offended your religion. Well guess what buddy, I hold religion in the same regard as political stance and any other opinion. If I can call you a jackass for thinking homosexuality is unnatural, then I sure as hell can, and will, call you a jackass for believing in god. And you just proved my point. I KNOW you can’t choose to be sterile. But the fact that it impedes reproduction has no affect on its naturalness.
No one chooses to be gay. There have been countless cases of kids killing themselves because of the ridiculing and bullying because of how they were born. There are countries, like Iran, where you can be stoned to death for engaging in same sex activities. Why in god’s name would anyone choose that lifestyle? Just like you didn’t choose to be heterosexual, they didn’t choose to be gay.
proud to be tEXan, using your logic, since there is no scientific proof that God exists, you are an atheist, you can not declare yourself a Christian until such a time that God is proven scientifically.
Think about how much influence it would take for you to engage in same-sex sex. There is absolutely no way that it can be mostly choice, but even if it was who is it bothering? There are some against it for religious reasons, and I totally understand, but we must also remember that PAUL is the one who said those things, not Jesus, wheras Jesus says to love all and not to judge. I don’t really think we should be using parts of the Bible where the meaning is unclear due to cultural differences/multiple translations from very different languages to discriminate. I understand the Bible is supposed to be perfect, but what if those letters were supposed to be an exercise in using our own hearts and minds to determine what God, and not society, says on the matter? We can’t imagine being attracted to the same sex and are repulsed by the idea, gay people can’t imagine being attracted to the opposite sex and are equally repulsed by heterosexual thought.
Homosexuals are not born to be gay, they choose to. In the book of Genesis, the Lord tells Adam and Eve (not Adam and Steve), “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it”. This doesn’t mean to be a “fruit”, he’s talking about sharing the characteristics of spiritual fruits. God also destroys the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for being corrupted with homosexuality and other sins, because it did not please the Lord. So why would God make you be born gay, if He doesn’t think it’s pleasing? Because you CHOOSE to be a homosexual! Homosexuals saying that they are born gay is just an excuse for them to say because they know they chose to be gay.
proud to be tEXan, I’m glad someone on here stands up for their Christian faith, and I am proud to say that I am a Christian. I’m not saying any of this to hate on homosexuals, because the Lord says to love them, and the Lord says to not hate the person, but hate the sin that they have committed, so I pray for each homosexual. If Rick Perry is going to stand up for his Christian beliefs, then he has my vote. Rick Perry 2012.
Well said srat. Shank, I’ll concede that that particular analogy didn’t hold, however the idea that homosexuality is a choice is still entirely unfounded. Yes, the bible preaches against homosexuality. It also (as srat said) preaches against arrogance and greed, as well as things that seem ridiculous to us now, like wearing shirts of more than one fabric and cutting your hair/shaving. The point is, while the bible has a lot of great teachings, you can’t force everything it says on everyone else. Besides, the separation of church and state makes using biblical tenets as basis for law unconstitutional. You don’t have to agree with homosexuality. I get grossed out every time I see two gays and when I hear a guy talking like he’s been kicked in the balls one too many times I feel like punching him in the face. That said, they’re people and are entitled to all the same rights as heterosexuals.
Homosexuality is not a choice and anyone that thinks that is an idiot. As it was said before, who would CHOOSE to be so ridiculed and hated? If a guy is attracted to a guy, then that’s what he likes. If a guy is attracted to a girl, then that’s what he likes. If he is attracted to both, then he likes both. It really is that simple. Whether it’s a gene, a mutation or “glitch in the brain, or whatever the fuck else, it’s just how they are. They don’t choose to like guys just like you don’t choose to like girls, you just do.
Bigotry and prejudice. NF.
14 years ago at 3:34 pmSupporting people who stick their dicks in other guy’s assholes. NF.
14 years ago at 3:46 pmI assume by “bigotry and prejudice” you’re talking about rules that keep kids from being able to pray in school?
14 years ago at 3:58 pm^ How would that ever affect you? Grow up, it’s the world we live in.
14 years ago at 4:00 pmThat was for Allthingsfrat.
14 years ago at 4:00 pmIf a gay wants to serve in our great military then he or she should be allowed to. If a child wants to pray in school then he or she should be allowed to. What the fuck happened to personal liberty? Why is either of those matters any concern to anyone else?
14 years ago at 4:32 pm^agreed brostock. That’s not even what Perry was talking about. Those were just “key words” some campaign manager told him to say because it tested well with a conservative demographic.
14 years ago at 4:52 pm“Rules that keep kids from being able to pray in school”, it’s called separation of church and state, if it’s so important to you that you get free time to have a conversation in your head with your imaginary friend, then by all means, go to a catholic school. It’s unconstitutional to have kids pray in public school as that is time sanctioned by an institution funded by the state to use for religious, and most likely christian, purpose. Prayer in public schools violates the United States Constitution.
14 years ago at 5:15 pm“…if it’s so important to you that you get free time to have a conversation in your head with your imaginary friend, then by all means, go to a catholic school.” Go fuck yourself you atheist piece of crap.
14 years ago at 5:47 pmTheCommodore: It’s actually not against the Constitution for kids to pray privately in school, at school, on school grounds. That is their right to express their religion in any way they see fit which is the second part of the religion clause in the first amendment (Congress shall make no law…prohibiting the free expression thereof.)
Now what goes in the … up there is “respecting an establishment of religion.” So, what is unconstitutional is for any state-sponsored institution (ie a school, government building) to endorse a particular religion, sponsor any singular religious activities, because that violates the first part of the religion clause of the first amendment. That’s why you’ll see a lot of multi-religious displays at schools and government buildings with christmas trees, menoras, nativities, etc. The interpretation of the clause by a lot of people now allows for that.
And that’s today’s lesson in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. Thank you.
14 years ago at 6:08 pmYou don’t have to like Perry, you don’t have to like the military’s policy towards homosexuals, you don’t have to agree with the first amendment’s claims on separation of church and state… but all of you with these leftist opinions what the fuck are you doing commenting on this? Do you know what website you’re on? Understand the demographic of this site’s users and don’t be so fucking ignorant and stubborn. Nothing wrong with being a goddamn liberal, but find a site where people give a fuck about your stance, geed.
14 years ago at 10:12 pmIt takes so much courage to take a stand for a majority held religion. God bless his politically pandering brave soul. All these Christians are preaching hate and picking and choosing which tenets of the bible to follow. It’s hypocrisy at its worst.
14 years ago at 10:52 pmHomosexuality? Bad.
Drunkeness, debauchery, and lewd behavior? Acceptable.
Premarital sex? Encouraged.
Illicit drug use? ok.
Flaunting wealth? Promoted.
Demeaning the poor? Advocated.
If y’all were true christians, y’all wouldn’t be living the lifestyle promoted by this website. You would be out promoting the word of Christ and setting a example for others to live by. In reality, your hypocritical lifestyles provide nothing but fodder for the nonbelievers.
^Most contradictory statement ever.
14 years ago at 11:19 pm^^ We have found a man dumber than Rick Perry.
14 years ago at 11:24 pm^^^saaaawingandamiss
14 years ago at 11:50 pmQuestion is, are they dumber than Bachmann? Which is approximately 3 IQ points lower, but those IQ points do matter.
14 years ago at 10:58 amIrrfrational, you’re a dumbass. I said being gay is NF. That means not frat if you didn’t realize. I challenge you to find anyone that thinks gay sex is frat in any way. It isn’t. I said it isn’t. I don’t hate gay people. That doesn’t mean I support what they do. Yes it doesn’t affect me, but being gay is still NF. Learn how to fucking read. As a side note, you know what else doesn’t affect either of us? People masturbating to child pornography. It doesn’t do any harm to anyone if the pictures are photoshopped or computer animated, but it’s still disgusting.
14 years ago at 5:11 pmBeing gay and child porn are on the same level, huh? I wasn’t aware being gay was a felony. Go fuck yourself you ignorant piece of shit. You didn’t say being gay was NF, you said supporting people who are gay is NF. I support the men and women who serve for my freedom. Fuck you.
14 years ago at 12:24 pmWho the fuck are you to decide if child porn and being gay are on the same level of your self defined “morality”? Both involve things that don’t affect either of us. And masturbating to child pornography that is photoshopped/computer animated is not a felony. It’s just disgusting. And yes, I don’t support gay people. That doesn’t mean i don’t support out troops you fucking hipster. I don’t support everything our troops do in their personal lives and neither do you. Some of them may do extremely immoral things in their personal time, but just because I don’t support those things doesn’t mean I don’t support the military fighting for our freedom. In a year and a half I’ll be out there with them, while you sit on your liberal ass watching TV and taking it up the butt.
14 years ago at 6:06 pmIf you honestly believe producing/watching/supporting child porn is equivalent (in terms of morals) to being gay, I think this should end right here. If not, thank you for reiterating my point. What they do in their personal lives is none of my damn business, therefore I have no reason to be an ignorant, uneducated asshole and judge every homosexual based on things they will never do when I’m around. What they do in their free time (as long as it is legal) gives me no right to think less of them. Again, go fuck yourself.
14 years ago at 6:21 pmFor the love of?? Who the hell are you people?
14 years ago at 4:39 amDoes the university really make even fratstars Liberal? Or has TFM really become troll infested to this extent?
First thing first. The military has a single mission, battle. It is not a social organization. Sexual orientation is irrelevant, be it one way or another. Enforcing anything that has anything to do with sexuality is a making a mockery of our armed forces and demeaning the institution. It is definitely not comparable to any other job.
What morality is informing people? I mean if you believe in gay rights that’s one thing but ya’ll are awfully passionate. Is it hitting close to home? Or are you surprised lets say a Christian finds homosecuality disagreeable? It’s not like it’s in the Bible or anything..
In our society we are called to tolerate other ways of life, not agree with them. So, I can go right ahead and say in my view homosexuality is the devil fucking America right in the ass if I want. And you all can cry. And I think I just said it.
*cue crying
I also think Christians should get an education. Homosecuality? Are you serious? It even puts a fucking red line under it when it’s spelled wrong, or it should at least auto correct it on a phone. On the other hand, I do not feel 100% percent comfortable around men who have “sec” with other men, but I have no right to judge them as a person, as any true Christian would say. I choose to live my life not being ignorant, stuck up, or an asshole every waking moment. Maybe you should consider that sometime, because I can tell you are not superior to anyone judging by your response.
14 years ago at 9:13 am^This guy has never seen a keyboard. He’s unaware the x and c are next to each other.
14 years ago at 12:19 pmI challenge you to kindly to look at the post above mine, and see where he used “homosecuality.” Why do new people keep intervening with moronic comments?
14 years ago at 5:14 pmEould it be sppropriate for me to sccidentally use the eqrong key bext to the tright ketter all the yime?
14 years ago at 5:16 pmIrrfrational you’re missing the point. You’re saying what someone does on their own time is “none of your damn business.” So according to your logic, what is wrong with the pictures someone masturbates to behind closed doors? It doesn’t affect you in any fucking way. I never said it was equal to gay sex, I said it doesn’t affect you just as gay sex doesn’t. Learn to fucking read. I don’t support either gay sex or masturbating to sick forms of pornography. And as a side note since you seem uneducated, did you know under the same set of experiments that “proved” a gay gene exists also “proved” a homophobic gene exists? If it is not their choice to be gay, it also isn’t my choice to be homophobic (I’m not homophobic, I get along with many gay people just fine. But the experiment still exists). You need to do some research before you bitch out about all these things. And again, I don’t judge gay people. I love them as I love everyone. That doesn’t mean I support what they do, just like I don’t support you trolling this thread or some poor guy stealing a car. And please stop telling me to go fuck myself, it’s extremely immature.
14 years ago at 5:33 pmIn my post I clearly stated that It’s none of my business (as long as it is legal.) And I cannot even believe you could believe that research for half a second. It is simply an excuse for backwoods rednecks to hate without reason. Think for yourself every once in a while, and try not believe every piece of information thrown at you. No such gene exists, sir. Lastly, your original post reads “Supporting people who stick their dicks in other guy’s assholes. NF.” Then, you try and change it to Supporting gay sex is NF. They are two different things. I, personally, find gay sex to be absolutely filthy, but I will never judge a man on his character because of it, as you said you would in your original comment. Please, grow up.
14 years ago at 6:07 pmOh my this is getting annoying. Anyway, you did say as long as it’s legal. Again, it is perfectly legal if the pictures are not of actual naked children. If they were computer animated, then you’re simply yerking it to a fake picture that looks like a naked kid. It’s nasty. You seem to think it’s illegal either way, and it isn’t. My point is doing something legal in the privacy of your bedroom can be disgusting and allow me to comfortably say I don’t support it. And you say can’t believe that gene research? You’re a moron for telling me not to believe every piece of research thrown at me, because I’m well aware not all is true. If you would actually do some research you would see there are no clear tests that prove a “gay gene” exists. Believe me, I’ve researched the subject extensively. I’d be willing to bet much more than you. I was merely saying that according to one silly test claiming there was a gay gene, the same silly test showed other stupid results that don’t make any sense- therefore proving the test to be hokey and the findings of a gay gene hokey as well. I don’t believe a homophobic gene exists, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t as you so confidently say. The truth is nobody really knows, so claiming to know shows how foolish you are. As far as my original post goes, I think you misinterpreted it. It’s purpose was to say the act of gay sex is NF. If I meant supporting everything a gay person does is NF, such as serving in the military, I would also theoretically be saying supporting a gay person finding a cure for cancer is NF. I don’t believe this, I think it would be awesome if a gay person found a cure for cancer. That still doesn’t mean I support the gay doctor doing it up the butt. I support a gay person’s loyalty to our country, but I don’t support their gay sex.
14 years ago at 9:29 pmFair enough. Your original post is different than what you said just now. If what you said is what you believe, then you may frat on.
14 years ago at 11:42 pmhahahahahahaha
14 years ago at 3:36 pmRick Perry defending Christmas and Christianity, hating on the gays, and giving zero fucks. TFM.
14 years ago at 3:37 pmFAF
14 years ago at 3:38 pmTFTC
14 years ago at 3:55 pm“It’s ok, I’m in a frat.” – Jimmy Tatro
14 years ago at 4:07 pmHating on Christmas and Christianity, and defending the gays. TFM.
Do you see the double-standard here?
14 years ago at 4:39 pm^That’s a Tf.aggotM.
14 years ago at 5:12 pmFaf Blue n Gold, you just proved that you’re not worthy of an internet connection. Please disconnect and keep running until I tell you to stop.
14 years ago at 8:28 pmTFM. Multiculturalism = NF.
14 years ago at 4:16 amYou don’t have to be in the pew every Sunday to know something is wrong with this country. You don’t have to be in school a majority of class days to be president of the United States of America. I’m ThinkThereforeFrat, and I uh prove dis mehsij.
14 years ago at 3:37 pm^ Fucking this
14 years ago at 4:07 pm^^you win.
14 years ago at 7:45 pmRick Perry set a new TFTC standard.
14 years ago at 3:38 pmSo crashing and burning so bad that you lose a chance to be president is TFTC? Ok chief.
14 years ago at 4:15 pmBy standing up for your values and saying fuck what everyone else thinks
14 years ago at 4:22 pm^^ I don’t think you understand what TFTC means, Champ.
14 years ago at 4:27 pm^^By pandering to the lowest common denominator and peddling Christianity? He’s using Christianity as a means of getting enough primary votes to revive his burning campaign because he sure is hell has nothing to offer in terms of real qualifications. When it comes to politics, if you have to cite “TFTC” as a means of support. You’re TDTV. TOO DUMB TO VOTE
14 years ago at 4:46 pmRick Perry is not TFTC. He is saying shit like this to try and spark some impossible campaign revival, not because he is so passionate about them. His advisers tell him exactly what to say at this point after those awful stumbles.
14 years ago at 9:09 pm^ and ^^ You kids are taking this website too seriously.
14 years ago at 10:52 pmSaying what we all were thinking. TFTC?
14 years ago at 3:38 pmYou misspelled rising from the flames
14 years ago at 3:41 pmThis country has no religious heritage, and the christians are the ones who are waging war on other religions. Look at every PUBLIC office in this country… The white house, Times Square, Central Park, the Capitol Building etc. The White House looks like, to quote Jon Stewart, “it got hit with a 500-pound tinsel bomb.”
I’m sick of the overwhelming majority of this country always playing the victim card when it is them that are victimizing people of other walks of life.
14 years ago at 3:48 pmGet off this website you gdi liberal fuck
14 years ago at 3:51 pmby other walks of life, you must mean gdis
14 years ago at 3:53 pm^this
14 years ago at 3:59 pmNo one never said we’re being victimized. We’re not a bunch of liberal pussies. However, the political-media-educational establishment is doing its best to systematically remove and stigmatize references to the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which this country this country is based.
Now, if you really want to see some victimization:
14 years ago at 4:02 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-axx7tEiHNc
I have yet to hear what these Judeo-Christian values are that we need for this country to operate that can’t be done by secular means. Face it – religion is retarded. Fear-based adherence to archaic, arbitrary law is cowardice in every way.
14 years ago at 4:05 pmOh yeah, Ron Paul 2012. Don’t give a fuck if it’s a long shot.
14 years ago at 4:08 pmI am sickened to know that someone as irreverent and foolish as you also supports Ron Paul.
14 years ago at 4:17 pm^^Thank you. People can act all day like this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. It’s like they’ve never even read the constitution. The FIRST par of the FIRST amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
If Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, how in the world could the rest of the constitution be based off of Christianity?
And by the way I’m not a “gdi liberal fuck”. I’m very much a man of fraternity and vote republican every year. I’m just slightly more socially liberal.
14 years ago at 4:22 pmThe only people to ever create a Constitution with such limited government and classically liberal (remember, classical liberal =/= modern day liberal) ideals were the Christians who founded this country. Did the Arabs (stuck in the middle ages) or Chinese (stuck in 1917 Russia) or any other culture even come close to this style of government on their own without first seeing how the Americans did it? No. The development of this form of government happened in an exclusively Christian setting. There may not be any direct allusions to Christianity, but that’s because we have freedom of religion, and that idea itself came from the Judeo-Christian ethic (although other cultures have thankfully embraced/developed it as well).
14 years ago at 4:43 pmI strongly disagree with the claim that “religion is retarded”, but I think our country’s forefathers probably knew what they were doing when they wrote the first amendment. Let’s stop flipping shit just because the president leaves out God in his Thanksgiving day address or because a couple of news stations or corporations decide to say “happy holidays” or “season’s greetings” rather than “merry Christmas”. I’m afraid of a nation that mandates religion (think Sharia law), NOT one in which people are free to choose which God (if any) to believe in.
14 years ago at 4:43 pmYou do realize that if it weren’t for religions stranglehold on humanity scientific progress would be exponentially further along than it is now.
14 years ago at 4:47 pmWhere did the Renaissance and the Enlightenment happen? In Christian Europe.
14 years ago at 4:52 pmYea cool fucking beans, both those cultural periods happened after the christian church cause the dark ages from the 5th to the 15th century. Get your head out of your ass.
14 years ago at 4:59 pm^^Do you realize that Ancient China and Mesopotamia were hundreds, if not thousands of years more advanced than Europe at the same time? Modern civilization was born in pre-Christian history so to say the two go hand-in-hand is absurd.
14 years ago at 5:06 pmDavy Crocket, your reasoning is terrible. Most of the things you mentioned happened in spite of religion.
14 years ago at 5:07 pmWere you guys fucking legacies? Because I don’t understand what fraternity would bid fucking morons like you, besides those in the south where everyone is inbred and accepts anything they hear about god “because the bible says so”. How about I write a book that says “Fact: Homosexuality is not a choice” and when you ask for proof, it’s because my fucking book said so.
14 years ago at 5:08 pmThe Renaissance as well as the founding of the Unites States are both great examples of society advancing in the f
14 years ago at 5:09 pmFuck that should have been to a convo below this one.
14 years ago at 5:09 pmThe Dark Ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire due to the Huns pushing the Barbarian Kingdoms into Roman lands, not by the Church. In fact, the eastern half of the Roman Empire that remained in Christian and Roman hands flourished quite nicely, far beyond the technologies of any civilization before them. Take a late antiquity history class and you’ll understand.
So um, this has gotten a little off-topic hasn’t it? In the poignant words of Rick Perry, “oops.”
14 years ago at 5:15 pmOh yea dude, they flourished by no means were multiple scientific breakthroughs denounced or covered up by the church. Remember that crazy guy Nicholas Copernicus? The astronomer that made a fully laid out and valid computation to prove that the universe is infact heliocentric? Remember how the church denounced this as nothing more than an attack on scripture? Then there was that other guy, super famous, gee what was his name…Oh yea, Galileo, you may know him as the guy that invented the telescope. He supported the Copernican Theory and after finding further evidence to once again prove that the world is not at the center of the universe, was ordered to denounce his works. Yea, the church really pushed for science didn’t it. Are you high or are you actually 2/3rds to a fucking retard?
14 years ago at 5:25 pm^This fucking guy.
Oh, by the way…
http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/darkages.gif
14 years ago at 5:34 pmI have never seen so many people so poorly informed about European/early U.S. history in one fucking thread. Also, if you don’t believe in God go fuck yourself. TheCommodore I hope you know that your fraternity, I sure as hell hope you didnt get a bid being the liberal, atheist fucktard you are, is most likely based on Christian principles. The United states is definitely founded with Christian ideals in mind. Yes, the constitution does work to remove religion from politics and be as broad a framework as possible to adjust with the country but most likely had fundamentals of faith in mind. Religion has unarguably had an immense affect on art and social factors as well.
14 years ago at 6:03 pmHey dickhole, how about you scroll back up and check for anywhere that I said that religion stood in the way of advancing art or social aspects. Then when you realize I never said that, take a fucking lap. I will give it to you, religion gave birth to Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel, Donatello’s Statue of David, the brilliant works of Leonardo da Vinci such as The Last Supper and the Peruvian Man. I never once said that religion stood in the way of culture, I said it stood in the way of science. And how am I misinformed, because I blame the church for starting the dark ages? Guess what, they fucking did. When the Roman empire began there was no Christianity. When Tiberius took over Rome as it’s second emperor, Jesus had already been executed and thus the ideals of the Christian religion/s began to spread, why did it have to wait until then? Because a religion isn’t a religion until the leader/figurehead dies. By the time Constantine took over around 400 AD, he was all kinds of tied up with the church, and from the rule of Constantine on, the church gained more and more power and the emperors lost theirs. It reached the point that Emperor Theodosius would be denied certain powers unless he gave into penance as ordered by Bishop Ambrose. At this point, the empire is broken and within it’s area of rule, people began to take up the Christian faith which goes against most of the empire’s inner workings, and boom, Christianity launched Europe into what are known as the Dark Ages. A thousand year period in which the church was the official authority and had the power to cover up anything that might go against scripture. Call me a fucktard one more time so I can laugh at your lack of an education. Go fuck your sister you imbecile.
14 years ago at 6:19 pmAlso, I’m a Republican.
14 years ago at 6:20 pm*starts slow clap*
14 years ago at 6:49 pmConstantine died in 337 A.D. He did not live to 400 A.D. Get your facts straight after you step down from your atheist high-horse.
Just shut up and go jack off to Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking.
14 years ago at 7:01 pmI said approximately 400 ad, I meant to type the 4th century. You’re going to try to discredit everything I said on one typo? If that’s your only rebuttal/only flaw you could point out then why don’t you just call it quits now.
14 years ago at 7:05 pmTheCommodore hits the nail on the head. Anyone who argues that the Church has done anything but impede the progress of science has the reasoning ability of an eight year old. Also, if I hear one more person claim that our country is based on Christianity I’ll flip, as students of the enlightenment our founding fathers realized that democracy was best served through reason and intellectual discussion. People and governments following religion rarely exhibit either of those, hence the need for a separation of church and state. Read some of Jefferson’s personal correspondence with other founders on religion before you claim that we are based on Christianity.
14 years ago at 7:08 pmThis country is all about religious heritage. Pick up a history book. You are free practice whatever religion you want but at the end of the day this country was based on puritan ideals.
14 years ago at 12:41 amThis country may have been founded in a Judeo-Christian setting, but the actual founding was done by the original American Fratstars, our Founding Fathers. These men were enlightened scholars and rich SOB’s that formed our government mostly along the principles and values of Freemasonry. The United States has no grand lodge of Freemasons because when it did exist (with George Washington at it’s head) there was a fear it would become more powerful then the fledgling government. Freemasonry requires a belief in the existence of god, but prohibits discussions of religion during official business. This is based on the principle that all men, having an affirmed belief in the almighty god and immortal soul, are created equal. The founding fathers were not all christians, many of them, including Jefferson were deists. Most of them were freemasons, the original fraternity, and those principles are embodied in the constitution.
14 years ago at 2:41 amFreemasonry = Illuminati
14 years ago at 8:52 am^Conspiracy theories. TFTC?
14 years ago at 10:45 amHey fucktard, no shit you didn’t say anything about religion affecting art or social aspects I was simply giving an example of a benefit religion has played through history. That being said I see you understand some of those aspects which should make you also understand that you shouldn’t denounce religion as a whole when there are some benefits. Furthermore, I never made any specific remarks about you being wrong about the church being a hindrance to scientific advancement or YOU being misinformed. Please read through a couple of other people’s responses above mine and you will understand what that was directed towards. Thanks for the fucking Wikipedia article though. I don’t think you responded fast enough last time please try to be a little quicker… Just in case you missed it you’re an atheist fucktard.
14 years ago at 5:04 pm^This is directed at TheCommodore. Also, you support gays.
14 years ago at 5:05 pmIHSV, you’re a fucking idiot. How about making a logical statement instead of just spouting “FUCK YOU LIBERAL ATHEIST” like the closed-minded retard that you are.
14 years ago at 10:15 pmIs this REALLY the state of America? and TFM? I really cannot believe I’m being forced to defend the positive nature of the church.
14 years ago at 5:39 amHere it goes. I’ll make a simple argument for religion being the positive driving force in society.
1st of all religion is the original basis for right and wrong . .morality. . good justice etc. If that’s a bad thing color me. …it’s not a bad thing.
In America what makes a good citizen? Simply, a productive engaged individual. What is the the best way to ensure an individual will develop as such? Ans: A stable family life, early cultivation of concepts of right & wrong aka morality, etc. What is the best way to achieve this? Religion
A problem with a liberal society is when you tolerate peoples decisions to say walk away from marraige you fuck up the kids a little, if not psychologically, definitely morally. When things get tough if there’s no consequence in society to walking away that’s an incentive to walk away. In America when parents tend to be busy working and doing other shit it’s family values that will encourage them to spend time with their kids and instruct them morally rather than letting them figure it out on their own in school. Sadly the kids of lower income parents who need moral instruction worst are stuck in the state’s enforced secular substandard schools. Further religion promotes community which is also rather desirable.
unstable upbringing tends to produce a lesser individuals. That is why family values are a tenant of the Republican Party even among the non evangelical Republicans. They have a coherent ideology.
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You can really compare religion to being in a fraternity in that from the outside it may make no sense and even appear unattractive. If you don’t get it you don’t get it…geeds
Well he really shit the bed. Ron Paul 2012
14 years ago at 4:04 pmSecond. Ron Paul has the mind of Americas founding fathers.
14 years ago at 4:16 pmAnd Ron Paul is the only one who truly believes in what he is saying. When you watch the debates, you can tell everyone else is just rattling off shit they have memorized (unless, of course, you’re Rick Perry, and you can even remember what you’re “supposed” to be supporting). Ron Paul speaks what he believes, and that is what this country needs.
14 years ago at 4:26 pm^Just about to say that. Condoms aren’t natural. Get that liberal stuff out of here so I can ride bareback. Idiots
14 years ago at 5:10 pmRon Paul is a joke, you GDIs.
14 years ago at 8:32 pm^and so is your bitch boy, Obama.
14 years ago at 10:33 pmRon Paul Is so old he looks like he would die in office IF he won, which i doubt. Rick Perry 2012
14 years ago at 2:40 amThis is Perry at his best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs
14 years ago at 6:26 pmchoice: celebrating christmas and having religious views. not a choice: whether your homosexual or heterosexual. bye-bye, ricky perry.
14 years ago at 4:07 pmThere is no scientific proof that you can be born homosexual. Until that is proven, it is and will be considered a choice.
14 years ago at 4:11 pmChoice: Wrap your lips around a muffler.
14 years ago at 4:19 pm^^Why in god’s name would a person choose to be bullied and ridiculed for the entire life? Did you choose to be heterosexual?
14 years ago at 4:23 pm^this guy
14 years ago at 4:24 pm“proud to be tEXan” I guess you don’t believe in God either. Fucking atheist.
14 years ago at 4:25 pmSorry to disappoint, but I am in fact a Christian.
14 years ago at 4:28 pm^^^ seems queer.
14 years ago at 4:29 pmWhere the fuck is DAB?
“You queer, boy?”
Seriously though…you’re not born gay.
14 years ago at 4:29 pmYou just like things in your pooper so that’s why people go gay. Science.
Frat Zuckerberg why is being an atheist a bad thing? You’re atheist just as much as I am with respect to Allah or Zeus or Baal, we just go one god further.
14 years ago at 4:29 pmPharoah, I believe Zuckerberg was referencing the fact that there is no scientific proof that God exists, either. As for the “homosexuality is a choice” argument, how can that possibly be true? Do you choose which girls you’re attracted to? Did you choose that you’re attracted to girls? Since the answer to both those questions is “no, it just happens”, then why would you think the process is any different for homosexuals?
14 years ago at 4:48 pmReligious or not, homosexuality is not natural. Scientifically it doesn’t make sense because it hinders reproductive ability and thus the survival of a species. People are not born homo
14 years ago at 5:03 pm^If you’re going to make the argument of “natural”, realize I could also say that boys and girls chose to be sterile because being sterile would hinder reproduction.
Just because something hinders reproduction doesn’t mean it is not “natural” by your own definition.
14 years ago at 5:09 pmAs Dukie said (albeit on the wrong thread) contraceptives are unnatural and they limit reproduction. Therefore they’re bad and wrong and should be made illegal? Good luck pulling and praying buddy.
14 years ago at 5:24 pmYou are not going to tell me that some gay boy out their was born saying “I want to have dick in and around my mouth.”
Gays have a choice, whether it’s oil drilling or scissoring.
14 years ago at 5:27 pm^Thank you brostock for furthering my point. Contraceptives are unnatural and inhibit reproduction, and we choose to use them. I never said they were bad and should be made illegal, I just said people are not born homosexual. And I don’t think outlawing homosexuality is feasible, people are debating whether or not they should be able to get married. You may be used to putting dicks in your mouth but don’t put words in mine, buddy.
14 years ago at 5:30 pmPharaoh i don’t even respect your sacrilegious shitty arguments. You can’t fucking choose to be sterile. Being sterile is a deformity, not being able to be pregnant (a guy) is natural. Also, in many religions birth controls are in fact bad so go fuck yourself again i literally would not shit in your mouth to keep you alive.
14 years ago at 6:09 pmyou mad, bros?
14 years ago at 6:43 pmGEED LIBERAL QUEER
14 years ago at 7:07 pm^^^Oh boo hoo my comments offended your religion. Well guess what buddy, I hold religion in the same regard as political stance and any other opinion. If I can call you a jackass for thinking homosexuality is unnatural, then I sure as hell can, and will, call you a jackass for believing in god. And you just proved my point. I KNOW you can’t choose to be sterile. But the fact that it impedes reproduction has no affect on its naturalness.
No one chooses to be gay. There have been countless cases of kids killing themselves because of the ridiculing and bullying because of how they were born. There are countries, like Iran, where you can be stoned to death for engaging in same sex activities. Why in god’s name would anyone choose that lifestyle? Just like you didn’t choose to be heterosexual, they didn’t choose to be gay.
14 years ago at 9:36 pmPharaoh, you can choose to be sterile. Just keep your laptop on your balls for an extended period of time.
14 years ago at 9:44 pmproud to be tEXan, using your logic, since there is no scientific proof that God exists, you are an atheist, you can not declare yourself a Christian until such a time that God is proven scientifically.
14 years ago at 9:52 pmAnyone who studies sexual psychology knows that a person’s basis of attraction can be dependent on ones cultural background.
14 years ago at 10:36 pmThink about how much influence it would take for you to engage in same-sex sex. There is absolutely no way that it can be mostly choice, but even if it was who is it bothering? There are some against it for religious reasons, and I totally understand, but we must also remember that PAUL is the one who said those things, not Jesus, wheras Jesus says to love all and not to judge. I don’t really think we should be using parts of the Bible where the meaning is unclear due to cultural differences/multiple translations from very different languages to discriminate. I understand the Bible is supposed to be perfect, but what if those letters were supposed to be an exercise in using our own hearts and minds to determine what God, and not society, says on the matter? We can’t imagine being attracted to the same sex and are repulsed by the idea, gay people can’t imagine being attracted to the opposite sex and are equally repulsed by heterosexual thought.
14 years ago at 8:17 amHomosexuality is found in over 1000 species on this planet, homophobia is only found in one. Which one seems unnatural now?
14 years ago at 8:56 amHomosexuals are not born to be gay, they choose to. In the book of Genesis, the Lord tells Adam and Eve (not Adam and Steve), “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it”. This doesn’t mean to be a “fruit”, he’s talking about sharing the characteristics of spiritual fruits. God also destroys the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for being corrupted with homosexuality and other sins, because it did not please the Lord. So why would God make you be born gay, if He doesn’t think it’s pleasing? Because you CHOOSE to be a homosexual! Homosexuals saying that they are born gay is just an excuse for them to say because they know they chose to be gay.
14 years ago at 9:17 amproud to be tEXan, I’m glad someone on here stands up for their Christian faith, and I am proud to say that I am a Christian. I’m not saying any of this to hate on homosexuals, because the Lord says to love them, and the Lord says to not hate the person, but hate the sin that they have committed, so I pray for each homosexual. If Rick Perry is going to stand up for his Christian beliefs, then he has my vote. Rick Perry 2012.
Sodom and Gomorrah was also about arrogance and greed
14 years ago at 9:35 amWell said srat. Shank, I’ll concede that that particular analogy didn’t hold, however the idea that homosexuality is a choice is still entirely unfounded. Yes, the bible preaches against homosexuality. It also (as srat said) preaches against arrogance and greed, as well as things that seem ridiculous to us now, like wearing shirts of more than one fabric and cutting your hair/shaving. The point is, while the bible has a lot of great teachings, you can’t force everything it says on everyone else. Besides, the separation of church and state makes using biblical tenets as basis for law unconstitutional. You don’t have to agree with homosexuality. I get grossed out every time I see two gays and when I hear a guy talking like he’s been kicked in the balls one too many times I feel like punching him in the face. That said, they’re people and are entitled to all the same rights as heterosexuals.
14 years ago at 11:25 amThank God I’m not queer. Cause there’s one thing daddy loves and that’s tittys and beer.
14 years ago at 12:48 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar3GOzDNzg
14 years ago at 1:08 pmHomosexuality is not a choice and anyone that thinks that is an idiot. As it was said before, who would CHOOSE to be so ridiculed and hated? If a guy is attracted to a guy, then that’s what he likes. If a guy is attracted to a girl, then that’s what he likes. If he is attracted to both, then he likes both. It really is that simple. Whether it’s a gene, a mutation or “glitch in the brain, or whatever the fuck else, it’s just how they are. They don’t choose to like guys just like you don’t choose to like girls, you just do.
14 years ago at 10:22 pm