In all seriousness, the basic intention of SOPA is necessary, but the way this bill is implemented is atrocious, and is why most are against it. There is almost no oversight, and no due process on removing entire sites as the bill currently stands (The MPAA just decided yesterday to say that this part will be taken off, after months of protests over it, but there are still factions supporting SOPA that want this pushed through).
^ Another issue is the ridiculously open wording as to how a site is domestic vs. foreign. Anything with a .com, .us, or .gov is domestic, even if hosted in another country, and shit in the country with other extensions are foreign, according to the bill. Lamar Smith is fucking retarded. Go figure, he’s from Texas.
Not sure why TFM is taking such a stand on SOPA. It’s main purpose is to put momma’s-basement, GDI-4chan-hacker-trolls out of business, behind bars, or in debt to the public in the form of fines, which is what should happen to online thieves and low-lifes.
Sure, it sucks that downloading music illegally will be more efficiently prosecuted, but only the poors complain about having to spend $.99 on a song.
Why would anyone here want to INHIBIT the government from enforcing its laws, especially good ones like internet piracy?
yes bc the SOPA laws have much more hidden within them. read them. that’s why we do not want them to be ratified. the internet is also the last true place where there can be media or new presented with out a large bias (small websites etc…)
I’ve read it and that is exactly what I have a problem with. However, if the government censors you for stealing someone’s intellectual property (and idea/theory, a picture, a song, etc.), they are not taking away your “liberty” or “freedom.”
I think the basic goal of SOPA is necessary and right, but I don’t like the thought of losing Twitter, Wikipedia, Hogville.net message board, or TFM. That’s wrong.
The Internet is a messed up place. Studies show that close to 70% of it contains or is made up of illicit drug trades, piracy, or pornography. So yeah, something needs to be done, but I agree that SOPA is not the answer.
To the OP, the reason everything on the internet with a brain is against SOPA is because entire sites get balled if ANYTHING on them (including anything from commenters, links posted, etc. [you know, shit that people like you and me post on TFM or anywhere else]) is discovered to violate copyright. Without due process. Just gone. Ads are blocked and credit/debit companies flag the site so it can’t raise revenue. All links associated with it on google and other search engines are killed. The site in its entirety can be efficiently killed for just having users talk about something that’s copyrighted.
Ahh come on, surely none of you guys are opposed to ‘balling the geeds on this site that Google pictures and submit them with the caption, “Me last weekend. TFM”
But seriously, the thing I really don’t like is the idea of copyrighting. Some things should be copyrighted, like architectural designs for a new frat castle. If you post the blueprints for the new house to Facebook through a certified architectural company that designs the prints, and someone steals them and builds a frat castle at a rival campus, then you (or the company that designed the original plans) should be entitled to compensation for the theft of intellectual property.
But if I ask not what my country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, then some lawyer representing John F. Kennedy should not be able to prosecute me for saying that. That’s ridiculous. If I post a pic of my room at the house with SportsIllustrated covers all over the walls, then SI should not have any right to sue me. It requires something this country hasn’t had since the Reagan era, and that’s COMMON SENSE. It’s hard to put a law on the books for something that specific.
^^ FreetoFrat, obviously there are ad companies in other countries. Any foreign domain that gets ad revenue from equally foreign companies can’t be touched by the bill.
In short, SOPA believes it can kill piracy if it shuts down sites that operate in the US. People who know about piracy and where to get it know that US domains are about the last place you’d want to go for free shit anyway.
I think some on this website are inclined to support SOPA cause they view it as promoting a corporate interest. And corporate interests are FaF. However, the reason corporate interests are FaF is because liberals don’t realize that corporations improve general welfare. A rising tide lifts all boats.
However, in the case of SOPA, these corporate interests are in direct opposition to both popular opinion and the Constitution. Such a bill would promote the very regulations and censorships that we on the right claim to despise. A free internet is indicative of a free society. Conversely, a censored internet is indicative of a dictatorial, communistic regime.
How is a free internet indicative of a free society? We went through the ENTIRE Reagan era with NO Internet and a very free society. Internet was only invented in 1989, so it doesn’t say jack shit about a society.
That’s true…let me clarify. Since the advent of the internet, it has become an accurate way to judge the freedom of any given society. Obviously free societies existed before the internet, too.
Good move, sir.
13 years ago at 7:44 amSOPA NF. Petitions NF. Emailing the State Senator FaF.
13 years ago at 8:00 amCalling the State Senator’s personal cell phone. TFM.
13 years ago at 10:01 amShowing up at the senator’s front door with a bottle of bourbon to personally discuss this matter. TFM
13 years ago at 10:20 amBeing the Senator. FaF.
13 years ago at 10:38 ambeing the dictator of the world
13 years ago at 10:42 amCommunist motherfucker^
13 years ago at 12:16 pmThank you DirtySouthern!
13 years ago at 1:33 pmWednesday giving us a reason to blackout on Wednesday.
13 years ago at 8:35 am^This.
13 years ago at 8:55 am^^ he gets it
13 years ago at 9:43 amWhiskey wednesday
13 years ago at 9:49 amNeeding a ‘reason’ to black out, NF
13 years ago at 4:28 pmLow blood pressure. TFM
13 years ago at 3:02 pmProtesting SOPA and bitching about it is NF.
13 years ago at 8:35 amPlus TFM moderate what we say anyway. Hypocrisy NF.
13 years ago at 8:36 amHaha true.. how can you be for the first amendment and still moderate my post?
13 years ago at 9:57 amAgreed, more whining and bitching about legistlation with good intentions.
13 years ago at 10:13 amThis site will most likely be shut down if SOPA goes through.
13 years ago at 10:40 amThe First Amendment, NF.
In all seriousness, the basic intention of SOPA is necessary, but the way this bill is implemented is atrocious, and is why most are against it. There is almost no oversight, and no due process on removing entire sites as the bill currently stands (The MPAA just decided yesterday to say that this part will be taken off, after months of protests over it, but there are still factions supporting SOPA that want this pushed through).
13 years ago at 12:13 pm^ Another issue is the ridiculously open wording as to how a site is domestic vs. foreign. Anything with a .com, .us, or .gov is domestic, even if hosted in another country, and shit in the country with other extensions are foreign, according to the bill. Lamar Smith is fucking retarded. Go figure, he’s from Texas.
13 years ago at 1:16 pmWho gives Steve Jobs’ dead ass if we steal music?
13 years ago at 8:41 am^goddamnit.
13 years ago at 8:45 amMusic industry lost 12.5 Billion last year due to pirating.
13 years ago at 8:39 pmWell shit. The sales tax off of that would have paid for Libya.
13 years ago at 11:10 pmSOPA: RFM
13 years ago at 10:16 amNot sure why TFM is taking such a stand on SOPA. It’s main purpose is to put momma’s-basement, GDI-4chan-hacker-trolls out of business, behind bars, or in debt to the public in the form of fines, which is what should happen to online thieves and low-lifes.
Sure, it sucks that downloading music illegally will be more efficiently prosecuted, but only the poors complain about having to spend $.99 on a song.
Why would anyone here want to INHIBIT the government from enforcing its laws, especially good ones like internet piracy?
13 years ago at 10:39 amyes bc the SOPA laws have much more hidden within them. read them. that’s why we do not want them to be ratified. the internet is also the last true place where there can be media or new presented with out a large bias (small websites etc…)
13 years ago at 10:44 amIt’s a matter of principle. I don’t need to remind everyone what beliefs America was founded on. SOPA transcends NF and FaF
13 years ago at 11:14 amA lot of the content on this site could potentially be flagged and the site shut down without any due process of law. Liberty NF, i guess.
13 years ago at 11:35 amCreating new government regulations on the internet: NF
13 years ago at 12:03 pm@ice cold frat,
I’ve read it and that is exactly what I have a problem with. However, if the government censors you for stealing someone’s intellectual property (and idea/theory, a picture, a song, etc.), they are not taking away your “liberty” or “freedom.”
I think the basic goal of SOPA is necessary and right, but I don’t like the thought of losing Twitter, Wikipedia, Hogville.net message board, or TFM. That’s wrong.
The Internet is a messed up place. Studies show that close to 70% of it contains or is made up of illicit drug trades, piracy, or pornography. So yeah, something needs to be done, but I agree that SOPA is not the answer.
13 years ago at 1:04 pmTo the OP, the reason everything on the internet with a brain is against SOPA is because entire sites get balled if ANYTHING on them (including anything from commenters, links posted, etc. [you know, shit that people like you and me post on TFM or anywhere else]) is discovered to violate copyright. Without due process. Just gone. Ads are blocked and credit/debit companies flag the site so it can’t raise revenue. All links associated with it on google and other search engines are killed. The site in its entirety can be efficiently killed for just having users talk about something that’s copyrighted.
Sounds FaF to me.
13 years ago at 1:22 pmBut sometimes it’s even $1.29 for a song! I mean god damnit!
13 years ago at 1:35 pmI couldn’t afford to download all the songs I have or wanted to buy. I guess I do but I won’t spend that kind of money for music.
13 years ago at 1:46 pm^ If you feel that SOPA will actually hinder piracy you have as much limited understanding of the internet as Lamar.
13 years ago at 2:03 pmPretty much man, I use the internet for school and porn. That’s about it. Explain please, because I love my music
13 years ago at 2:06 pmAhh come on, surely none of you guys are opposed to ‘balling the geeds on this site that Google pictures and submit them with the caption, “Me last weekend. TFM”
But seriously, the thing I really don’t like is the idea of copyrighting. Some things should be copyrighted, like architectural designs for a new frat castle. If you post the blueprints for the new house to Facebook through a certified architectural company that designs the prints, and someone steals them and builds a frat castle at a rival campus, then you (or the company that designed the original plans) should be entitled to compensation for the theft of intellectual property.
But if I ask not what my country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, then some lawyer representing John F. Kennedy should not be able to prosecute me for saying that. That’s ridiculous. If I post a pic of my room at the house with SportsIllustrated covers all over the walls, then SI should not have any right to sue me. It requires something this country hasn’t had since the Reagan era, and that’s COMMON SENSE. It’s hard to put a law on the books for something that specific.
13 years ago at 2:32 pm^^ FreetoFrat, obviously there are ad companies in other countries. Any foreign domain that gets ad revenue from equally foreign companies can’t be touched by the bill.
In short, SOPA believes it can kill piracy if it shuts down sites that operate in the US. People who know about piracy and where to get it know that US domains are about the last place you’d want to go for free shit anyway.
13 years ago at 10:31 amNeeding a reason to black out on Wednesday NF.
13 years ago at 12:05 pmYou’re a little late, chief.
13 years ago at 9:57 pmI think some on this website are inclined to support SOPA cause they view it as promoting a corporate interest. And corporate interests are FaF. However, the reason corporate interests are FaF is because liberals don’t realize that corporations improve general welfare. A rising tide lifts all boats.
However, in the case of SOPA, these corporate interests are in direct opposition to both popular opinion and the Constitution. Such a bill would promote the very regulations and censorships that we on the right claim to despise. A free internet is indicative of a free society. Conversely, a censored internet is indicative of a dictatorial, communistic regime.
tl;dr sopa blows
13 years ago at 1:58 pmHow is a free internet indicative of a free society? We went through the ENTIRE Reagan era with NO Internet and a very free society. Internet was only invented in 1989, so it doesn’t say jack shit about a society.
Other than that, I mostly agree. Frat on, sir.
13 years ago at 3:05 pmThat’s true…let me clarify. Since the advent of the internet, it has become an accurate way to judge the freedom of any given society. Obviously free societies existed before the internet, too.
13 years ago at 7:29 pmBuying music. NF
13 years ago at 4:52 pm