Veteran Pledge; the Pros, the Cons, the FaF

Spring Rush will be here in just a few weeks, and I’d like to talk about a very special kind of rushee: the veteran. When it comes to rushing veterans there are pros and cons. I don’t actually suggest bidding every veteran that shows up. After six years of service I can tell you that there are plenty of fuck ups and geeds that can call themselves “veterans.” It’s still important to approach each veteran as an individual, even if many of them are distinguished individuals. Evaluate them just like you would anyone else. The only exceptions to that rule I would suggest are to take their age and any tattoos they may have with a grain of salt. Their age obviously deserves to be overlooked (usually, don’t rush a 30-year-old). After all, your typical vet forewent what would have been his first few years of college to instead take craps in a hole in the ground and spend his evenings dodging RPGs. Besides, think about the convenience of having a pledge that can buy alcohol, you never have to leave the house! Tattoos deserve special exemption because for some reason everyone I served with that was worth a fuck in a fire fight had at least one, and lot of times it’s just a unit thing (or an “I’m on leave and incredibly shitfaced” thing).

The Pros:

Probably the best thing about bidding a veteran is that he is not a pussy. Life in the military tends to suck, especially when you’re a private, and especially in the infantry. Given the choice of repeating pledgeship or spending another 12 months as a private I’d take pledgeship every time. At least when I was pledging the only person trying to kill me was the angry fat fifth year senior. There is also the aforementioned positive of the veteran pledge more than likely being 21, so again, you can have a pledge make all your beer runs. Another pro will be his perception of women. Spending an ungodly amount of time with only dudes and the unfortunate lowered expectations that come with being used to the trailer trash that sleaze around in the backwater towns most bases are located near can affect a man. Even the most mediocre sorostitutes will be outright smoke shows to many veterans. They can be outstanding wingmen.

The Cons:

While having a 21+ year old pledge is fun, don’t make a big deal about his age with other people. If anyone asks, he is “21”. Your social chair does not want to get the mid-homecoming week call from XXX sorority social chair “You sent a 26-year-old to creep on our babies? Are you fucking kidding me?” You can either try to get the older girls to set him up with one of their seniors, or just keep it under wraps. Personally I think any sorority girl should feel lucky to fellate a defender of freedom, but some girls just can’t get over an eight year age gap. It also might be a little awkward for his big brother, who could actually be several years younger. Lastly, many veterans have PTSD so you might have to be a little careful with some hazing activities to prevent your veteran pledge from going all John Rambo in the hazement.

The FaF:

How would you like a fraternity brother who has actually fought terrorists? He might be going back to Afghanistan at some point, how about pictures of the fraternity flag flying in Afghanistan declaring this land free of both terrorism and GDIs? Last, but certainly not least, many of these guys have had time as an NCO, and have administered their fair share of “corrective training.” If you cannot imagine the usefulness of such experience then you probably aren’t in a real fraternity.

A military veteran has the ability to make a fine addition to any fraternity, and they deserve a chance to rush/pledge. They sacrificed their time (specifically the time of their lives) to help defend the United States of America. These veterans are brave, selfless, and already know what it means to be both a brother and a leader. More often than not, adding a veteran to your fraternity will end up improving the quality of your house. Plus, like I said, they know how to haze balls.

    1. Success

      Snowflake, I ain’t pike. Didn’t rush em, didn’t want them. Now stop making homos look worse.

      13 years ago at 3:11 pm
    2. ChillinoisSLAG

      We had a vet pledge this semester, and there was talk about exempting him from pledgeship, but he refused. Being humble, FaF

      13 years ago at 11:04 am
    1. Frataholic

      I’d be even more careful judging Marines. A lot of the guys they attract are just off, and they have the lowest entry requirements. Most of their officers are good. Their attack pilots are pussies, or at least their ROE are. Their ground guys called us out of sector all the time to cover cause their own guys sucked.

      13 years ago at 5:28 am
  1. KeithStone1864

    As a former veteran pledge myself I could not agree more! And as far as the choice of attire, in my experience, the select few brothers in arms I have that are now Greeks, never succumbed to wearing any tapout or affliction. In most cases, many veterans choose to not even attend 4 years universities, as many people do not understand, much of the enlisted world of the US military is comprised of people with very little, or poor secondary education.

    13 years ago at 8:16 pm
  2. CantFratThis

    Yes, if a veteran wants to pledge because he decided to take a few years to fight for our country, then of course seriously consider them. However, this case is extremely rare and this article seems to suggest that many fraternities come across these cases. Most people that enlist do so because college just isn’t for them. But I do know many guys, including a few in my fraternity, that go the ROTC route in college where they serve after they graduate college.

    Also something to note and something I learned living in a college/army town (manhattan/ft riley) is that it seems there is a difference between a ‘Veteran’ and a ‘G.I.’ A Veteran is someone who has seen action and tends to keep to themselves and general respect for college kids. A ‘G.I.’ is someone who has no respect at all for the college kids and starts fights at every given opportunity out of a type of jealousy.

    13 years ago at 12:25 am
  3. nobamaforpresident

    Got a veteran pledge brother one of the greatest guys I know. However, I’ve definitely seen some veterans come around who just don’t fit in and will forever be GDI’s.

    God Bless America and Roll Tide

    13 years ago at 12:34 am
    1. futureleader14

      It’s kind of funny how your username can be interpreted as “no bama for president,” yet you still say Roll Tide.

      13 years ago at 1:05 am
    2. nobamaforpresident

      True, but then again unless you’re from lsu in which case you’re gdi trailer trash it’s funny that we’re in a national championship and you’re not

      13 years ago at 10:05 pm
    3. futureleader14

      Talk to me when your team wins, champ. I don’t go to LSU but I’d root for anyone other than those dull, inbred, arrogant fucks that tend to populate the joke of a university that is Alabama.

      13 years ago at 11:25 pm
  4. grandfrat

    I’m deployed overseas at the moment, OEF, and I’m an officer, bc I went to college first, got a degree then joined. Gotta be honest, most dudes in the Army, combat services, are super tools. Lots of them think they are super hooah, and are almost exhausting at “trying to act tough.” Most of them are either trailer trash or thugged-out black dudes, it’s really mean to say. I know this sounds harsh, and maybe it’s just the base I’m on, and units around me. However, I’ve been in for about 4yrs, grew up an Army brat, and have been involved in the military all my life, let’s face it fellas, most these dudes TapOut, Tactical 5.11 cargo pants, ballistic eye wear dudes… they just are.. except for sr NCO’s for some reason, they suddenly change and are total badasses…

    13 years ago at 12:05 pm
    1. RagnarDanneskjold

      Yes Sir, You’re 100% correct. Like I said, plenty of fuck ups and retards. It’s not just your base or the units around you, its the whole army. That is why I insist on evaluating them just like you would anyone else. Many of them will have character flaws that someone like me couldnt smoke out of them in three years, so eight weeks isn’t going to help either. As for the way guys dress, sometimes good kids dress like idiots because they don’t know any better. They can be easily swayed to put all their trailer park guido shit in a burn pile and all their ranger joes bullshit in a range bag.

      13 years ago at 1:56 pm
    2. frat11c

      Agree 100%. A lot people don’t realize that the vast majority of the people in the army (enlisted) join because they have nothing else going for them. The G.I. Joe stereotype are few and far between.

      Out of all the guys in my platoon about 3 would fit in with a fraternity, myself included. The rest, while great guys who I would take a bullet for, would definitely not be able to fit in with the fraternity culture.

      Also, took me all of 1 day to figure out sorostitutes don’t appreciate tap out shorts.

      13 years ago at 2:12 pm
    3. Lieutenant Frat

      As usual, gradfrat, I agree with you. The ironic thing is that these dumbasses would say that these dudes are total geeds until the day they die; then they find out they are/were in the military and they magically and instantly become FaF. It goes back to the whole “That guy is tougher than me and not afraid to serve, so he’s FaF” mentality. Stupid pansy ass bitches.

      13 years ago at 6:04 am
    4. Frataholic

      Whoever said being a private isn’t much better than pledgeship wasn’t far off. My only issue in evaluating vets is it isn’t going to be easy to correct stuff about them. They don’t exactly respond to the same pressures that are effective with 18yo freshmen, especially coming from a 19yo. You can probably get them dressing right, but deeper character flaws are likely to be a no-go. I’m willing to take a hit in some ways to accommodate a vet, because I know they bring other things to the table, but they do need a solid evaluation. I’d just emphasize the age thing has to be out the window.

      13 years ago at 8:31 am